Re: Is this a free license?

2002-12-13 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Thomas Bushnell, BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Microsoft takes a bunch away, with the case of qmail, you *didn't* purchase anything, and you have no rights to copy *anything*--to even *get* the first copy--except under the terms of the license. Do all download sites force you to read the licence

GPL scripts with a GPL-incompatible interpreter

2002-12-13 Thread Steve Langasek
Hello, What is the list's opinion of this entry in the FSF's GPL FAQ? http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#InterpreterIncompat Does the argument that a script is just data really hold water legally? I would think they are just data in the same sense that all binary executables are just

licence verification for the Bewan ADSL modem driver.

2002-12-13 Thread Sven Luther
Hello, ... Some time ago i asked a question about a driver containing proprietary closed source code. I now got a licence proposal from Bewan : Program code and documentation are (C) Copyright 2002 BeWAN systems All rights reserved. This package is free

Re: PornView suspected to have stolen lots of code from GImageView

2002-12-13 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Oliver M. Bolzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Both softwares are GPL, the fact that Pornview uses a lot of GImageView's code verbatim or with modifications per se is not a problem, but Pornview has stripped the original copyright notices and also doing things like s/GImageView//g from variable

Re: Is this a free license?

2002-12-13 Thread David Turner
On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 20:38, Russ Allbery wrote: Thomas Bushnell, BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Courts care not about the technical details of *how* you copy, but the fact that you copy. You cannot copy qmail *at all* if you are making a modified binary with it. This means you cannot

Re: Is this a free license?

2002-12-13 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thomas Bushnell, BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Microsoft takes a bunch away, with the case of qmail, you *didn't* purchase anything, and you have no rights to copy *anything*--to even *get* the first copy--except under the terms of the license.

Re: GPL scripts with a GPL-incompatible interpreter

2002-12-13 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does the argument that a script is just data really hold water legally? I would think they are just data in the same sense that all binary executables are just data to a kernel; yet the vendors of proprietary Unices have always gone out of their way to

Re: Is this a free license?

2002-12-13 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Thomas Bushnell, BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arguing from common sense here, consider the case of someone who knows C but doesn't know English. It would seem very unfair for them to be punished merely for downloading the tar ball, editing the code, compiling it and running it. If that's

Re: PornView suspected to have stolen lots of code from GImageView

2002-12-13 Thread Brian Nelson
Oliver M. Bolzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think we all remember the controversy around pornview's introduction into Debian because of it's name. It's currently in the archieves but there are reasons to believe pornview is infringing the copyright (and open source ethics) of another image

Re: GPL scripts with a GPL-incompatible interpreter

2002-12-13 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 10:05:09AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does the argument that a script is just data really hold water legally? I would think they are just data in the same sense that all binary executables are just data to a kernel;

Re: licence verification for the Bewan ADSL modem driver.

2002-12-13 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 05:58:33PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: Program code and documentation are (C) Copyright 2002 BeWAN systems All rights reserved. This package is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU

Re: GPL scripts with a GPL-incompatible interpreter

2002-12-13 Thread Walter Landry
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 10:05:09AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does the argument that a script is just data really hold water legally? I would think they are just data in the same sense that all

Re: Is this a free license?

2002-12-13 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thomas Bushnell, BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arguing from common sense here, consider the case of someone who knows C but doesn't know English. It would seem very unfair for them to be punished merely for downloading the tar ball, editing the

Re: GPL scripts with a GPL-incompatible interpreter

2002-12-13 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 10:05:09AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does the argument that a script is just data really hold water legally? I would think they are just data in the same sense that all

Re: GPL scripts with a GPL-incompatible interpreter

2002-12-13 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 11:35:57AM -0800, Walter Landry wrote: My concern is not with bindings (most PHP *bindings* seem to be GPL-compatible), but with the interpreter itself; I don't see anything in the GPL that states unequivocally that distributing a GPL script together with a

Re: GPL scripts with a GPL-incompatible interpreter

2002-12-13 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Walter Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You seem to be worrying about distributing GPL'd applications under section 3 of the GPL. But that is only for object code or executable form. Debian is distributing it under section 2. Furthermore, the thing that Debian distributes doesn't have any

Re: GPL scripts with a GPL-incompatible interpreter

2002-12-13 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My concern is not with bindings (most PHP *bindings* seem to be GPL-compatible), but with the interpreter itself; I don't see anything in the GPL that states unequivocally that distributing a GPL

Re: GPL scripts with a GPL-incompatible interpreter

2002-12-13 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now, if it's the same I who do all four steps, some argument could probably be made that I am in fact infringing on the original software's copyrigt, under the it's the intended end result that matters doctrine. However, if the steps are done by

Re: GPL scripts with a GPL-incompatible interpreter

2002-12-13 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 11:49:45AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: My concern is not with bindings (most PHP *bindings* seem to be GPL-compatible), but with the interpreter itself; I don't see anything in the GPL that states unequivocally that distributing a GPL script together with a

Re: Is this a free license?

2002-12-13 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Thomas Bushnell, BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arguing from common sense here, consider the case of someone who knows C but doesn't know English. It would seem very unfair for them to be punished merely for downloading the tar ball, editing the code, compiling it and running it.

Re: licence verification for the Bewan ADSL modem driver.

2002-12-13 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 01:20:36PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 05:58:33PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: Program code and documentation are (C) Copyright 2002 BeWAN systems All rights reserved. This package is free software;

Re: Is this a free license?

2002-12-13 Thread Richard Braakman
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 11:48:29AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: What? How? Because ftp.gnu.org doesn't require you to read the license either, but does hold you to its restrictions. Are you talking about the GPL here? The one that says, You are not required to accept this License,

Re: GPL scripts with a GPL-incompatible interpreter

2002-12-13 Thread Walter Landry
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 11:35:57AM -0800, Walter Landry wrote: My concern is not with bindings (most PHP *bindings* seem to be GPL-compatible), but with the interpreter itself; I don't see anything in the GPL that states unequivocally that

Re: GPL scripts with a GPL-incompatible interpreter

2002-12-13 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, if the steps are done by different parties, it will be difficult to point to an individual party who is actually in violation. What establishes cahoots? Well, basically, anyone who did

Re: GPL scripts with a GPL-incompatible interpreter

2002-12-13 Thread starner
For example, the one who ports the program to the proprietary language may do it out of honest desire to make some good free software available in what he sees as an exciting new environment. How does this differ from, say, Emacs on Windows? I'm sure that Emacs has been extended to do some

Re: GPL scripts with a GPL-incompatible interpreter

2002-12-13 Thread Richard Braakman
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 02:00:27PM -0800, Walter Landry wrote: Section 3 gives you rights in addition to section 2. Section 3 lets you distribute a particular kind of modification that is not allowed in Section 2 (a modification that incorporates things that can not be licensed under the

Is this license permittable into debian 'main'

2002-12-13 Thread Trent Lloyd
The QPL - its OSI approved i beleive is it suitable for debian main programs (i beleive so) The Q Public License Version 1.0 Copyright (C) 1999 Trolltech AS, Norway. Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute this license document. The intent of this license is to establish freedom to share