Re: Is this license permittable into debian 'main'

2002-12-16 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Sun, 2002-12-15 at 23:23, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 11:52:27PM -0500, Joe Drew wrote: I don't see anywhere that this fails the DFSG. Asking that someone must hit such-and-such a web page with changes (and its moral equivalents) I will buy as a violation of DFSG 5; I

Re: Is this license permittable into debian 'main'

2002-12-16 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 02:31:53AM -0600, Joe Wreschnig wrote: However, clause 6 says it only takes effect when distributed, which is kind of confusing. You need to be distributing it, but not to the general public. Do NDAs and things like internal use count as distribution at all? I'm not

Re: Is this license permittable into debian 'main'

2002-12-16 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Joe Wreschnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] However, clause 6 says it only takes effect when distributed, which is kind of confusing. You need to be distributing it, but not to the general public. Do NDAs and things like internal use count as distribution at all? It's not hard to come up with a

Re: gnuplot license

2002-12-16 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scripsit Alexandre Dulaunoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is the license of gnuplot compatible with the DFSG ? Yes. See DFSG#4. And gnuplot is in Debian main. OT, but I'm sure most people first pick gnuplot because they think it is the GNU tool for the job.

Re: GPL scripts with a GPL-incompatible interpreter

2002-12-16 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 11:49:45AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: My concern is not with bindings (most PHP *bindings* seem to be GPL-compatible), but with the interpreter itself; I don't see anything in the GPL that states unequivocally

Re: GPL scripts with a GPL-incompatible interpreter

2002-12-16 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Richard Braakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If we go by your interpretation, then any self-contained GPL executable (for example, a flash image for an embedded linux system) can be distributed without source code. A GPL-d program in which the original is not source code is incoherent. Section

Re: GPL scripts with a GPL-incompatible interpreter

2002-12-16 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What establishes cahoots? Well, basically, anyone who did any of the steps (*any* of them, whether that step would be illegal in isolation or not) with the intention that it's part of the total process. This is similar to conspiracy law, where

Re: GPL scripts with a GPL-incompatible interpreter

2002-12-16 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What establishes cahoots? Well, basically, anyone who did any of the steps (*any* of them, whether that step would be illegal in isolation or not) with the intention that it's part of the total

Legal status of DDR step files

2002-12-16 Thread Joe Wreschnig
I'm intending to package PyDDR (http://www.clickass.org/~tgz/pyddr), a Dance Dance Revolution simulator for UNIX systems. The basic idea behind DDR is that you have a pattern of button presses (which you press with your feet, hence dancing) which you do in rhythm with music. PyDDR at the moment

Re: Legal status of DDR step files

2002-12-16 Thread David Turner
On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 18:05, Joe Wreschnig wrote: I'm intending to package PyDDR (http://www.clickass.org/~tgz/pyddr), a Dance Dance Revolution simulator for UNIX systems. The basic idea behind DDR is that you have a pattern of button presses (which you press with your feet, hence dancing)

Re: gnuplot license

2002-12-16 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 09:23, Peter S Galbraith wrote: OT, but I'm sure most people first pick gnuplot because they think it is the GNU tool for the job. It's too bad that it capitalizes on the name with such a license. Well, what *is* the GNU tool for the job? AFAIK there isn't one. (FWIW,

Re: GPL scripts with a GPL-incompatible interpreter

2002-12-16 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not sure whether or not you disagree with me. Was it that hard to tell that my original different people scenario was meant as a situation where each of the things that each of the parties do is something they do because it makes sense in itself

Re: Is this license permittable into debian 'main'

2002-12-16 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think being forced to actively send changes (or changelogs) upstream is any different than having to produce source on demand; both discriminate against people who *can't* publically release changes, such as people under NDA. The NDA is a weak

Re: gnuplot license

2002-12-16 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Alexandre Dulaunoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is the license of gnuplot compatible with the DFSG ? Yes. Gnuplot is freeware in the sense that you don't have to pay for it. However it is not freeware in the sense that you would be allowed to distribute a modified version of your

Re: gnuplot license

2002-12-16 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Peter S Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OT, but I'm sure most people first pick gnuplot because they think it is the GNU tool for the job. It's too bad that it capitalizes on the name with such a license. gnuplot predates the GNU project.

Re: GPL scripts with a GPL-incompatible interpreter

2002-12-16 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) What matters is if it's part of a total pattern: if so, then anyone who intended it to be part of such a total pattern is infringing, even if their piece, in isolation, would not be. What must I say to communicate the message that the case you

Re: gnuplot license

2002-12-16 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) gnuplot predates the GNU project. The earliest copyright date in any of the gnuplot 3.7.1 source files is 1986; gnuplot 1.0.3 was relased November 16/17 that year in a series of postings to net.sources. The only mention of any year between 1980

Re: gnuplot license

2002-12-16 Thread Simon Law
On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 07:01:07PM -0600, Joe Wreschnig wrote: On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 09:23, Peter S Galbraith wrote: OT, but I'm sure most people first pick gnuplot because they think it is the GNU tool for the job. It's too bad that it capitalizes on the name with such a license. Well,

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