Always free?

2003-02-07 Thread J.B. Nicholson-Owens
Mark Rafn wrote: It [Perl's copyright holders] can't retroactively change licenses. There will always be a free Perl. It is my understanding that licensees (generally) haven't been given any consideration in exchange for the software, so a license can be revoked by the licensor at any time. I,

Re: Always free?

2003-02-07 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On Thursday 06 February 2003 23:55, J.B. Nicholson-Owens wrote: Mark Rafn wrote: It [Perl's copyright holders] can't retroactively change licenses. There will always be a free Perl. It is my understanding that licensees (generally) haven't been given any consideration in exchange for the

Re: Always free?

2003-02-07 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The author can not take away ant rights that were granted. Of course this is my interpretation of comments made here and elsewhere. Anyone else care to weigh in? IANAL but this has been discussed extensively in for example Slashdot, and the

Re: Always free?

2003-02-07 Thread J.B. Nicholson-Owens
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: If I grab a random piece of GPL software today and start hacking and tomorrow the author changes the license the copy I have does not change. This is what allows projects to fork. I think what allows GNU GPL-covered programs to be forked is that the GPL grants

PHP4 And GPL mixing, what is linking?

2003-02-07 Thread James Michael DuPont
Dear all, Is it possible to make a GPL'ed PHP4 software and distribute it? Does the not depend on the Zend API Is it possible to make a non-free plugin for a GPL'ed PHP4? Where does linking occur? Can I prevent non-free software from using a GPLEd with a strong dependency? What about SQL

Re: Always free?

2003-02-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 10:29:58AM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The author can not take away ant rights that were granted. Of course this is my interpretation of comments made here and elsewhere. Anyone else care to weigh in? IANAL but this

Re: PHP4 And GPL mixing, what is linking?

2003-02-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 06:04:16AM -0800, James Michael DuPont wrote: Is it possible to make a GPL'ed PHP4 software and distribute it? Does the not depend on the Zend API You can always release PHP-related software under the GPL and distribute that code to others. You can redistribute

Re: Always free?

2003-02-07 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS [EMAIL PROTECTED] A lot of things would break if licences were arbitrarily revocable. I haven't heard of it happening in practice, and I'm not sure the consideration argument from contract law has any validity. Apart from those arguments, the consideration

Re: PHP4 And GPL mixing, what is linking?

2003-02-07 Thread James Michael DuPont
Steve, thank you for addressing my question. It is really the question how can I protect a gpled php module from being used and exploited by a developer who does not want to contribute his code under the GPL. Where is the much loved sticky linking effect like you have with gpled c code? ---

Re: PHP4 And GPL mixing, what is linking?

2003-02-07 Thread Stephen Ryan
On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 09:04, James Michael DuPont wrote: Dear all, ... What about SQL database, can I prevent non-free software from using the database of a GPled application? I don't particularly know about the rest, but this one is just plain pure evil. Don't do it. Don't think about it.

Re: PHP4 And GPL mixing, what is linking?

2003-02-07 Thread Mark Rafn
On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, James Michael DuPont wrote: It is really the question how can I protect a gpled php module from being used and exploited by a developer who does not want to contribute his code under the GPL. You cannot. The GPL does not restrict use (or even exploitation, whatever that

Re: PHP4 And GPL mixing, what is linking?

2003-02-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 12:24:26PM -0800, Mark Rafn wrote: Like Mysql does, my preventing you from connecting to the free server using non-free clients. It does? I'd be interested to hear more about this, as I don't see how free software can restrict usage. Perhaps he's referring to

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Re: Always free?

2003-02-07 Thread Nick Phillips
On Friday, February 7, 2003, at 09:29 pm, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: IANAL but this has been discussed extensively in for example Slashdot, and the current theory of licensing in the US and probably in EU as well is that a non-profit license can be revoked. It would mean that the copies in existence

Re: Always free?

2003-02-07 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 04:29:11PM +, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: I would go further and say that even if you didn't find any bugs, looking for them is still a useful service. Well, that's true. People get paid to do code review all the time. If they're good at it, then their pay should

Re: Always free?

2003-02-07 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 03:45:41PM +1300, Nick Phillips wrote: Well, IANAL either, but I'd have thought that publicising the licensor and their software by distributing it could very well be argued to be consideration. No way, man, these days copyright is a mechanism for *reducing* publicity

Re: Always free?

2003-02-07 Thread J.B. Nicholson-Owens
Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: A lot of things would break if licences were arbitrarily revocable. I haven't heard of it happening in practice, and I'm not sure the consideration argument from contract law has any validity. Give http://www.ilaw.com.au/public/licencearticle.html a read. It was