Re: OSD DFSG - different purposes - constructive suggestion!

2003-03-08 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 01:38:48PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Joe Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2. the Chinese Dissident. It has been suggested that this test be referred to as simply as the Dissident test. But the suggestion has not been taken. The point isn't to

Re: PHPNuke license

2003-03-08 Thread Lars Wirzenius
la, 08-03-2003 kello 00:09, David Turner kirjoitti: It seems to me that there's a lot of stuff that you would want that gateway to strip or abbreviate. You would want to cut all copyright notices. Assuming you would want to, how would you? There is no standard format for copyright notices,

Re: The Affero license

2003-03-08 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Thomas Bushnell, BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030307 22:05]: Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Forced publication of in-house development considerably increases the cost of running software. This is only true when you adopt a high falutin concept of publication. Make a tar file,

Re: The Affero license

2003-03-08 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: Take, say, xine as an example. Nice free program. GPLed. Someone wants to add support for Quicktime to it, but wants to get royalties for it. The write a Quicktime to mpeg convertor, and put that up on their website. They require you to pay a

Re: OSD DFSG - different purposes - constructive suggestion!

2003-03-08 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Nathan E Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 01:38:48PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Joe Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2. the Chinese Dissident. It has been suggested that this test be referred to as simply as the Dissident test. But the

Re: transformations of 'source code'

2003-03-08 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 05:36:57PM -0500, Joe Moore wrote: Nick Phillips said: I don't think that losslessness is the right criterion, rather something connected to the meaning of the source and the achievability of the source's object. Can have useful source recovered from it, in a form

Re: transformations of source code

2003-03-08 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 04:59:50PM -0500, David Turner wrote: On Fri, 2003-03-07 at 13:11, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Unfortunately, in the age of the DMCA that isn't quite enough. Since the GPL has few restrictions on functional modification, it's not much of an issue there. A document

Re: The Affero license

2003-03-08 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 04:56:12PM -0500, David Turner wrote: That's not the argument that I understand Debian has for Free Software. Careful, I'm not sure Debian *has* an argument for Free Software. It's kind of an axiomatic principle for us. :) As I understand Debian's position, Free

Re: Bug#180798: ITP: multisync -- A program to syncronize PIM data

2003-03-08 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 15:51, Branden Robinson wrote: Got shot in the face when answering your door? You should have answered the door in body armor, wearing an iron helmet and wielding an AK-47, or not answered the door at all. Almost, except you forgot the right wing's love of the death

Re: The Affero license

2003-03-08 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 04:40:23PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Mark Rafn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You're not serious are you? Include sanitize for undesirable comments, re-architect to avoid an insecure hack, setup, house, and buy bandwidth for http and mail servers for all these

Re: PHPNuke license

2003-03-08 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 06:50:54PM -0500, Don Armstrong wrote: On Fri, 07 Mar 2003, John Goerzen wrote: What exactly am I ignoring here? Nothing here seems to require that I distribute modified copies. Perhaps I misunderstood you. What I was getting at is that 2 a-c doesn't apply to

Re: transformations of 'source code'

2003-03-08 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't agree with this analysis at all. Translations from one natural language to another are very lossy things. Ever read Shakespeare without using the footnotes? How about Chaucer? Magnify that problem by ten. I can agree completely. My day

Re: OSD DFSG - different purposes - constructive suggestion!

2003-03-08 Thread Barak Pearlmutter
I've edited that nascent DFSG FAQ and put it at http://www-bcl.cs.unm.edu/~bap/dfsg-faq.html I'd appreciate comments. Especially from the OSD/DFSG WE MUST UNIFY folks, who might perhaps be able to use some of this material to clarify their OSD into conformance with Debian practice, ie to

Re: PHPNuke license

2003-03-08 Thread Mark Rafn
On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 06:50:54PM -0500, Don Armstrong wrote: What I was getting at is that 2 a-c doesn't apply to modifications you make that you do not distribute. On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, John Goerzen wrote: I completely agree with that :-) Recent comments on this list make it clear that 2a

Re: OSD DFSG - different purposes - constructive suggestion!

2003-03-08 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 08 Mar 2003, Barak Pearlmutter wrote: I've edited that nascent DFSG FAQ and put it at http://www-bcl.cs.unm.edu/~bap/dfsg-faq.html I'd appreciate comments. It seems quite usefull to me, at least for starters. However, if you (or your contributors) could add links to the portions

Re: OSD DFSG - different purposes - constructive suggestion!

2003-03-08 Thread Richard Braakman
On Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 07:46:18PM -0700, Barak Pearlmutter wrote: I've edited that nascent DFSG FAQ and put it at http://www-bcl.cs.unm.edu/~bap/dfsg-faq.html I'd appreciate comments. It seems a bit eager about the GPL. I'd much prefer if it gave equal time to the GPL and the BSD camps.

Re: OCAML QPL Issue

2003-03-08 Thread Oliver M. Bolzer
On Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 07:38:35PM -0700, Barak Pearlmutter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... contain the QPL, apparently only applying to some of the source files. The QPL contains clause 6c which states: 6. You may develop application programs, reusable components and other software