Is epic package non-free?

2003-03-14 Thread Gustavo Franco
Hi, [Send Cc: to me, i'm not subscribed] I was checking the epic package, because i've ITA on it now.After the check, i've some doubts about the license: Quoting debian/copyright: IRC II is copyright (c) 1990 by Michael Sandrof. You have the right to copy, compile, and maintain this

Re: The Show So Far

2003-03-14 Thread Joe Moore
Steve Langasek said: On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 10:55:44PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote: The argument is that //rmi.bar.com/Bar is a GPL'd program, and this java application (under whatever license; say BSD) makes use of it. Now, it seems clear that this application is, in fact, linking to Bar.

Re: OSD DFSG - different purposes - constructive suggestion!

2003-03-14 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 05:05 AM, Anthony Towns wrote: Giving away CDs at tradeshows that don't include source comes under 3(b). I suppose you could arrange to give everyone both binary and source CDs, then ask them to give the latter back to you. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-

Re: Is epic package non-free?

2003-03-14 Thread Simon Law
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:15:23AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: Hi, [Send Cc: to me, i'm not subscribed] I was checking the epic package, because i've ITA on it now.After the check, i've some doubts about the license: Quoting debian/copyright: IRC II is copyright (c) 1990 by Michael

Forced publication requirement and import/export restrictions

2003-03-14 Thread Alexander Cherepanov
Hi! Here is some combination of the Chinese Dissident and Fred the Lawyer tests. Consider the following situation. There is a program written in Europe. Someone in USA (say, Fred the USA dissident:-) takes this program and incorporates some form of encryption which is illegal to export from USA.

Re: Is epic package non-free?

2003-03-14 Thread Gustavo Franco
On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 12:46, Simon Law wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:15:23AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: [..] Reading the source (source/irc.c): [...] * Written By Michael Sandrof * Copyright(c) 1990 * See the COPYRIGHT file, or do a HELP IRCII COPYRIGHT [...] I can't

Re: Is epic package non-free?

2003-03-14 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:15:23AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: I was checking the epic package, because i've ITA on it now.After the check, i've some doubts about the license: http://lwn.net/1998/0611/ircii.html Michael Sandrof, Troy Rollo, and Matthew Green are putting the ircII code

Re: Bug#184670: Is epic package non-free?

2003-03-14 Thread James Troup
Simon Law [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It doesn't appear that we have the right to redistribute the Sandrof code. [...] I highly recommend that you file a bug requesting the removal of this package. No. Check the other ircii-based packages; Michael retro-actively re-licensed his

Re: Is epic package non-free?

2003-03-14 Thread Gustavo Franco
On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 13:26, Simon Law wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:15:23AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: Hi, [Send Cc: to me, i'm not subscribed] I was checking the epic package, because i've ITA on it now.After the check, i've some doubts about the license: Quoting

Re: Is epic package non-free?

2003-03-14 Thread Gustavo Franco
On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 13:31, Anthony Towns wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:15:23AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: I was checking the epic package, because i've ITA on it now.After the check, i've some doubts about the license: http://lwn.net/1998/0611/ircii.html Michael Sandrof, Troy

Re: Is epic package non-free?

2003-03-14 Thread Simon Law
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 01:53:53PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 13:31, Anthony Towns wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:15:23AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: I was checking the epic package, because i've ITA on it now.After the check, i've some doubts about the

Re: Is epic package non-free?

2003-03-14 Thread Gustavo Franco
On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 15:17, Simon Law wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 01:53:53PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 13:31, Anthony Towns wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:15:23AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: I was checking the epic package, because i've ITA on it

Re: PHPNuke license

2003-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 01:01:35PM -0500, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, David Turner wrote: Actually, there was copying, but not distribution, as I recall. The articles in question were circulated throughout the company so they could be copied by employees. [Hence the interal

Re: the FSF's definition of Free Software and its value for Debian

2003-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 09:55:14PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oops, I confused myself. This phrase all third parties that receive copies indirectly through the recipient is still there. Could you state again what problem you have with that

Re: Should the ASP loophole be fixed? (Re: The Affero license)

2003-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 01:15:26AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: David Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 4. Fundamental rights include the right to deny to *non-users* of the software, access to the source code for the software No, this misstates my position. Possessors of the

Re: Barriers to an ASP loophole closure

2003-03-14 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Terry Hancock [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now, what if I played it through my web server? I don't give you the DVD and I don't let you access the menu directly, so I am not distributing the work through the web, I'm just playing a video using some streaming video format. Now that is clearly

Re: Should the ASP loophole be fixed? (Re: The Affero license)

2003-03-14 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 01:15:26AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: David Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 4. Fundamental rights include the right to deny to *non-users* of the software, access to the source code for the software No, this

QPL clause 3 is not DFSG-free

2003-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 01:07:41AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 12:03:59PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Ok, I think you're right. That means the QPL is not actually a problem, even if you object to all

Re: The ASP nightmare: a description (was Re: OSD DFSG - different purposes - constructive suggestion!)

2003-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 07:45:36PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: If anyone had claimed such any kind of distribution in this area some years ago, I'd taken it for a good joke[1]. [...] [1] compareable to a cat /bin/clear on a Solaris of the right version. I presume this was like Solaris's

Re: GPLv3 / Affero / RPSL

2003-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 08:48:13PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: I think we have two sorts of free licenses. One set, which includes BSD and GPL licenses, which basically give users and authors the same rights; and the other set, which includes the QPL and licenses with patch clauses, which give

Re: OCAML QPL Issue

2003-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 12:16:42AM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: Dual-licensing under the GPL and QPL appeared to be good enough for Trolltech, so presumably the same reasoning that they used when making that decision will be persuasive to other users of the QPL. The licensing of the

Re: Considering packaging T.Rex firewall, is it free?

2003-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 09:17:39PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: HOWEVER, I find it worrying that the legal venue is stated as | This license is governed by the Laws of the State of Texas and any | disputes shall be decided by mediation. Does this mean that the user has to submit to some

Bug#184806: Copyright notices are lacking

2003-03-14 Thread Simon Law
Package: whois Version: 4.6.2 Severity: serious Tags: patch The copyright notices on the whois sources are not sufficient. Neither is the debian/copyright file. Since the maintainer is also the upstream author, I presume that he actually _does_ want to license whois under the GNU GPL. I have

Re: The ASP nightmare: a description (was Re: OSD DFSG - different purposes - constructive suggestion!)

2003-03-14 Thread Michael Schultheiss
Branden Robinson wrote: On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 07:45:36PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: If anyone had claimed such any kind of distribution in this area some years ago, I'd taken it for a good joke[1]. [...] [1] compareable to a cat /bin/clear on a Solaris of the right version. I

Re: The Show So Far

2003-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:54:42AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: Seriously, you're welcome to hate the clause all you like; there are people out there who hate BSD licensing and others who hate GPL licensing. You do need something stronger than a firm opinion and a lot of repetition to declare

Re: GPLv3 / Affero / RPSL

2003-03-14 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 03:41:04PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: authors special consideration. Furthermore, I think the most effective way -- perhaps the *only* effective way for our deprecation of such licenses to be more than just lip service is to reject them as violating the spirit of

Re: Standard non-copyleft free license?

2003-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 08:09:03PM -0500, David Turner wrote: Copyright (c) year copyright holders Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the Software), to deal in the Software without restriction,

Re: The Show So Far

2003-03-14 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 04:17:42PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:54:42AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: Seriously, you're welcome to hate the clause all you like; there are people out there who hate BSD licensing and others who hate GPL licensing. You do need

Re: Standard non-copyleft free license?

2003-03-14 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Branden Robinson wrote: I think Dave's recommendation of the MIT/X11 license, though he didn't call it by that name, is preferable, because it sticks closer to the legal scope of copyright law. Could be. They're slightly different of course, and I'm not well equiped to