Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-07 Thread Barak Pearlmutter
Something like this: You must not cause files to misrepresent themselves as approved by the official LaTeX maintenance group, or to misrepresent themselves as perfectly compatible with such files (according to compatibility criteria established by the official LaTeX

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-07 Thread Joe Moore
Frank Mittelbach said: Jeff Licquia writes in reply to Joe Moore: On Wed, 2003-04-02 at 13:45, Joe Moore wrote: 10. The Work, or any Derived Work, may be distributed under a different license, as long as that license honors the conditions in Clause 7a, above. This clause

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-07 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Barak Pearlmutter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Something like this: You must not cause files to misrepresent themselves as approved by the official LaTeX maintenance group, or to misrepresent themselves as perfectly compatible with such files (according to compatibility

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-07 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) Would it make it less of a misrepresentation if the comment produced output to the screen that this wasn't Standard LaTeX? AFAIU, what the authors of the LPPL draft is trying to express is nothing more or less than 1. You must make your modified

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-07 Thread Mark Rafn
On Mon, 7 Apr 2003, Henning Makholm wrote: AFAIU, what the authors of the LPPL draft is trying to express is nothing more or less than 1. You must make your modified package output to the screen a message that it isn't Standard LaTeX. Would it be possible to use GPL wording for

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-07 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Sun, 2003-04-06 at 01:05, Barak Pearlmutter wrote: Maybe instead of sinking further and further into little details of how files are verified to be standard LaTeX and the distinction between the LaTeX engine and the files it reads and all that good stuff, we could back up a step? This all

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-07 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Sat, 2003-04-05 at 22:24, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So you do not acknowledge that a particular license might contain elements that are specific to the problem domain? I acknowledge it in principle, except it turns out that I don't buy the

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-07 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Sat, 2003-04-05 at 00:44, Walter Landry wrote: Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you do not acknowledge that a particular license might contain elements that are specific to the problem domain? Of course I don't acknowledge that. One of the wonderful things about free software

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-07 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Mark Rafn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 7 Apr 2003, Henning Makholm wrote: AFAIU, what the authors of the LPPL draft is trying to express is nothing more or less than 1. You must make your modified package output to the screen a message that it isn't Standard LaTeX. Would it

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-07 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Except that you can't make GPL code validate with the LPPL validator, since the GPL and LPPL are not compatible. So, since there's no danger that the code will be run through the validator and identify itself as standard, the GPL satisfies 7a. So the

Non-free source package with downloadable parts

2003-04-07 Thread Xavier Roche
Hi folks, I am the author maintainer of the httrack package (currently in testing), an offline browser and mirroring utility. Among with html, javascript/java, and css parsers, an optional, standalone (loaded through a dlopen probe), external module allow to provide basic flash (swf) files

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-07 Thread Frank Mittelbach
I've CC'ed this to a LaTeX person - any comments from the LaTeX crowd? just for the record, i'm in fact subscribed to -legal since last year, just as Henning suspect, it is just that most of you go to sleep when I wake up an vice versa, have to get the kids to bed and then rejoin frank

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-07 Thread Walter Landry
Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2003-04-05 at 00:44, Walter Landry wrote: Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you do not acknowledge that a particular license might contain elements that are specific to the problem domain? Of course I don't acknowledge that. One

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-07 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. You must make your modified package output to the screen a message that it isn't Standard LaTeX. 2. If the environment where your modified package is intended to be used provides a documented standard way of emitting such messages

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-07 Thread Frank Mittelbach
Joe Moore writes: And also, the any derived work language might be seen as an attempt to restrict the licensing preferences of derivative works. For example, if someone would prefer to license their modifications under a strong copyleft license, clause 10 above would seem to suggest that

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-07 Thread Frank Mittelbach
Jeremy Hankins writes: Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Except that you can't make GPL code validate with the LPPL validator, since the GPL and LPPL are not compatible. So, since there's no danger that the code will be run through the validator and identify itself as

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-07 Thread Frank Mittelbach
Thomas Bushnell, BSG writes: Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. You must make your modified package output to the screen a message that it isn't Standard LaTeX. 2. If the environment where your modified package is intended to be used provides a

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-07 Thread Frank Mittelbach
Barak Pearlmutter writes: Something like this: You must not cause files to misrepresent themselves as approved by the official LaTeX maintenance group, or to misrepresent themselves as perfectly compatible with such files (according to compatibility

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-07 Thread Frank Mittelbach
Frank Mittelbach writes: for the sake of an argument, what about 1. You must make your modified package output to the screen a message that it isn't the original package 2. If the environment where your modified package is intended to be used provides a documented

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-07 Thread Frank Mittelbach
Walter Landry writes: snip This example seems to indicate that your main problem with the validator is that it seems like a programmatic restriction. If it were made more clear that this is not the case, would this satisfy you? How would you change it? It would

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-07 Thread Frank Mittelbach
Mark Rafn writes: On Mon, 7 Apr 2003, Henning Makholm wrote: AFAIU, what the authors of the LPPL draft is trying to express is nothing more or less than 1. You must make your modified package output to the screen a message that it isn't Standard LaTeX. Would it be

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-07 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) Thousands of lines of this is non-Standard LateX flying by would prevent use in many circumstances; would a single, collected This is non-Standard Latex; see logfile for which components are non-Standard meet the LaTeX group's requirements? Well,

Bug: 111609 RFP for cathedral-book; license question

2003-04-07 Thread Jay Bonci
When looking at the RFP for cathedral-book at #111609, the license is mentioned as the Open Publication License 2.0. The only specific mention I see of that is at: http://opencontent.org/opl.shtml and http://opencontent.org/openpub http://opensource.org/licenses/ doesn't mention anything about