Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-27 Thread Sam Hartman
I believe that the Knoppix CD is violating the GPL by not distributing source code to GPL packages that they distribute. In particular, I looked at http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html#license and found the following text: If not otherwise specified, the

Re: Legal questions about some GNU Emacs files

2003-04-27 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 10:20:50PM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote: But you're right that none of the notices you quote describe DFSG-free licensing terms. Feel free to join the ongoing quasiflamewar in the LGPL thread about the degree to which we care about that in the case of Stallman's

Re: Legal questions about some GNU Emacs files

2003-04-27 Thread Jérôme Marant
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 10:20:50PM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote: But you're right that none of the notices you quote describe DFSG-free licensing terms. Feel free to join the ongoing quasiflamewar in the LGPL thread about the degree to which we

Re: Legal questions about some GNU Emacs files

2003-04-27 Thread Jérôme Marant
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jérôme Marant) writes: take some time to deal with, but it's not remotely difficult. How should we proceed? Should we contact RMS directly? Should a RC bug be opened? Note that we've been shipping theses files for quite a while now. Hmm, aren't Verbatim texts a special

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-27 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 20030427T095714+0200, Oliver M. Bolzer wrote: To my knowledge Klaus Knopper has repeatedly stated that he would send the source to anyone if they sent him the needed number of blank CD-Rs. IMHO that's a reasonable way to distribute source, though slightly inconvenient. The blank CD-Rs

Re: LPPL and non-discrimination

2003-04-27 Thread Jonathan Fine
Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Jonathan Fine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now to the problem. Debian guideline 5 states The license must not discriminate against any person or group of persons. The proposed LaTeX license defines the Current Maintainer. The license grants these person(s) privileges that

Re: Proposed statement wrt GNU FDL

2003-04-27 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Sat, 2003-04-26 at 03:12, Henning Makholm wrote: The current status of the preamble goes much farther than that. It says that I must not reuse the wordings in the preamble for composing a text that expresses *my* views on licensing (and makes clear that they are mine, not the FSF's).

Re: LPPL and non-discrimination

2003-04-27 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Sat, 2003-04-26 at 05:08, Jonathan Fine wrote: Now to the problem. Debian guideline 5 states The license must not discriminate against any person or group of persons. That guideline is intended to disallow things like If you're French, you may not use this package. The license must be

Re: LPPL and non-discrimination

2003-04-27 Thread Jonathan Fine
Jonathan Fine wrote: Now to the problem. Debian guideline 5 states The license must not discriminate against any person or group of persons. The proposed LaTeX license defines the Current Maintainer. The license grants these person(s) privileges that are not granted to other licensees.

Re: Proposed statement wrt GNU FDL

2003-04-27 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 2003-04-25 at 11:26, Jeremy Hankins wrote: On one hand, the benefits to be gained from a free-software-like approach to purely artistic/aesthetic (i.e., non-functional) works aren't as obvious. A rather ironic statement in a Bazaar-type

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-27 Thread Sam Hartman
Oliver == Oliver M Bolzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oliver On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 01:39:32AM -0400, Sam Hartman Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... I believe that the Knoppix CD is violating the GPL by not distributing source code to GPL packages that they distribute. In

Re: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-04-27 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Since it has not been specifically mentioned in this discussion, I would like to point out the following particular message from Richard Braakman: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2002/debian-legal-200212/msg00034.html This appears to represent a consensus view of Debian: * Some people

Re: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-04-27 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Georg said: Yes. But that is a question of Copyright law, not license. Given that a document is under a license that permits modification, any redistributor could add anything and then say that removing it would hurt his or her moral rights. First of all, 'moral rights' don't exist in the US.

Re: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-04-27 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Georg, continuing to miss the point entirely, wrote: I'm sorry, but if somebody wrote something into a document that was important to him and you didn't like it and removed it to distribute that as a newer version of the document, you'd be violating that persons Copyright. GNU Free Documentation

Re: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-04-27 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Peter S. Galbraith said: psg It's copied from http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities psg If that text were licensed with invariant sections, I'd have to psg include them in this one-page help screen. Georg said: Right now you'd probably have to treat it as potentially invariant as a

RE: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-27 Thread Darryl Palmer
Looking at the GPL it has this statement: 3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following: a) Accompany it with the complete

Re: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-04-27 Thread Mark Rafn
On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Nathanael Nerode wrote: * Some people believe that immutable sections are not acceptable in a free document, Aye. but a majority of Debian seems to think that immutable sections are free provided they consist of non-technical material. Woah. I don't think anyone has

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-27 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 07:40:58PM -0500, Darryl Palmer wrote: c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer to distribute corresponding source code. (This alternative is allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you received the program in

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 07:40:58PM -0500, Darryl Palmer wrote: 3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following: a) Accompany it with

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-27 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Darryl Palmer wrote: Looking at the GPL it has this statement: 3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following:

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-27 Thread Klaus Knopper
On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 05:54:15PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: Oliver == Oliver M Bolzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oliver On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 01:39:32AM -0400, Sam Hartman Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... I believe that the Knoppix CD is violating the GPL by not

Re: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-04-27 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Mark Rafn [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Nathanael Nerode wrote: but a majority of Debian seems to think that immutable sections are free provided they consist of non-technical material. Woah. I don't think anyone has said that, Truth to be told, I recently said

Re: Knoppix and GPL

2003-04-27 Thread Klaus Knopper
On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 07:40:58PM -0500, Darryl Palmer wrote: 3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following: a) Accompany it with

Re: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-04-27 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Georg said: Naturally, I'm more familiar with the European Copyright -- or Droit d'Auteur, rather -- systems, but since Europe is a very active region for Free Software, considering the European situation seems useful. Please note that this system is contrary in its basis to the system in the