GFDL Freeness and Cover Texts

2003-05-02 Thread Michael D. Crawford
(I originally posted this to debian-user, as GFDL Freeness Question) I have some articles on the general topic of software quality at: http://linuxquality.sunsite.dk/articles/ They are all under the GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.1. I would like these articles to be included in

Re: various opinions on Debian vs the GFDL

2003-05-02 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, May 01, 2003 at 10:19:24PM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: What's stopping you from doing all your music in some XML format, anyway? [...] Forcing you to convert mp3s to XML I'd assume: A 'Transparent' copy of the Document [is] suitable for revising the document straightforwardly

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-05-02 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Mark Rafn [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030501 21:57]: On Thu, 1 May 2003, Bernhard R. Link wrote: I cannot see the problem here. Even if the quoted sub 2 can be applied, it may only disallow you making something available to the public (i.e. some forms of distributing it). It says changed _OR_

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-05-02 Thread Nick Phillips
On Thu, May 01, 2003 at 11:11:41AM -0700, Mark Rafn wrote: Under droit d'auteur, you're not allowed to grant unqualified permission to the reciever of a work to make modifications or to distribute the work. You cannot fulfil the GPL requirements, so you cannot distribute the work. You

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software?

2003-05-02 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Mark Rafn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ok, how about Tuomas Kuosmanen, the creator of a whole lot of fine icons in various free software packages? Would his qualify as an artistic reputation? Perhaps. Would he be able, regardless of the fact that his icons are released under GPL, to prevent

Re: GFDL Freeness and Cover Texts

2003-05-02 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Michael D. Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't have any invariant sections in any of them, but each of them specifies a brief back cover text: Is that a problem? My impression of the consensus that is shaping up is that we're likely to consider *any* cover text as a problem. The one

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software?

2003-05-02 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Greg Pomerantz The main problem with moral rights seems to be inalienability. As far as I understand it, artists can decide at the time of the use of the work whether they believe it is prejudicial to their honor and reputation. That's a misunderstanding. It is not the artist who

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software?

2003-05-02 Thread Greg Pomerantz
I don't think so. On the contrary, BECAUSE of the fact that he voluntarily released his icons under GPL, it is an integral part of the artistic character of the work that it can be used in any context and with any modifications anyone pleases. Therefore, no actual use or modification can

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-05-02 Thread Mark Rafn
* Mark Rafn [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030501 21:57]: Under droit d'auteur, you're not allowed to grant unqualified permission to the reciever of a work to make modifications or to distribute the work. You cannot fulfil the GPL requirements, so you cannot distribute the work. On Fri, 2 May

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software?

2003-05-02 Thread Greg Pomerantz
The main problem with moral rights seems to be inalienability. As far as I understand it, artists can decide at the time of the use of the work whether they believe it is prejudicial to their honor and reputation. That's a misunderstanding. It is not the artist who decides this. Sure,

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software?

2003-05-02 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Stupidity does not create rights. (Opposite in some other parts of the world where one can become rich simply by being too stupid to imagine that coffee might be hot). Punitive damages are a stupid concept (does any country other than the USA have them?) but

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software?

2003-05-02 Thread Richard Braakman
On Fri, May 02, 2003 at 05:48:23PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: Stupidity does not create rights. (Opposite in some other parts of the world where one can become rich simply by being too stupid to imagine that coffee might be hot). Can we put this legend to rest? I realize this is off-topic,

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software?

2003-05-02 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Richard Braakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, May 02, 2003 at 05:48:23PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: (Opposite in some other parts of the world where one can become rich simply by being too stupid to imagine that coffee might be hot). 1. The coffee in question was *much* hotter

Question regarding a LGPL program and closed-source plugin

2003-05-02 Thread Yong Li
Hello everyone, On debian-chinese list someone has expressed an intension to package a Chinese input server SCIM and its plugins for Debian. The input server program SCIM is released under LGPL. However the server alone doesn't do anything interesting. The real input methods are developed as

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software?

2003-05-02 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Greg Pomerantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, but a free software developer cannot walk into court and argue that they did not intend to grant the right to redistribute Exactly my point. At the very least, the GPL and most other free software licenses are be problematic in moral rights

Re: Question regarding a LGPL program and closed-source plugin

2003-05-02 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Yong Li [EMAIL PROTECTED] Upon running the chosen plugin(s) will be loaded into the server's space through dlopen. Then the server will get pointers of functions from the plugin and call them as certain events occur. One of the plugins, arguably the only one that most people will be

Re: Question regarding a LGPL program and closed-source plugin

2003-05-02 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030502 20:30]: Scripsit Yong Li [EMAIL PROTECTED] Upon running the chosen plugin(s) will be loaded into the server's space through dlopen. Then the server will get pointers of functions from the plugin and call them as certain events occur. One of

Re: various opinions on Debian vs the GFDL

2003-05-02 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Fri, 2003-05-02 at 02:43, Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, May 01, 2003 at 10:19:24PM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: What's stopping you from doing all your music in some XML format, anyway? [...] Forcing you to convert mp3s to XML I'd assume: A 'Transparent' copy of the Document [is]

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software? (Was: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-05-02 Thread Arnoud Galactus Engelfriet
Bernhard R. Link wrote: If author's rights would be introduced in the USA, this might be the case. Author's rights, or at least the moral rights idea therein, are already in US law. 17 US Code article 106A says, for example, that the author shall have the right to prevent the use of his or her

Re: various opinions on Debian vs the GFDL

2003-05-02 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, May 02, 2003 at 03:06:17PM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: On Fri, 2003-05-02 at 02:43, Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, May 01, 2003 at 10:19:24PM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: What's stopping you from doing all your music in some XML format, anyway? [...] Forcing you to

Re: Question regarding a LGPL program and closed-source plugin

2003-05-02 Thread Yong Li
On 2 May 2003, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Yong Li [EMAIL PROTECTED] Upon running the chosen plugin(s) will be loaded into the server's space through dlopen. Then the server will get pointers of functions from the plugin and call them as certain events occur. One of the plugins,

Question on wxWindows packages

2003-05-02 Thread Roberto Sanchez
I came across the following while reading the wxWindows documentation (from the wxwin2.4-doc package): We also acknowledge the author of XFIG, the excellent Unix drawing tool, from the source of which we have borrowed some spline drawing code. His copyright is included below. XFig2.1 is

Bug#191717: automake1.6: install-sh licensing nightmare?

2003-05-02 Thread Matt Zimmerman
Package: automake1.6 Version: 1.6.3-5 Severity: serious I noticed this from a discussion in #148412 about gimp's licensing) mizar:[~] head -16 /usr/share/automake-1.6/install-sh #!/bin/sh # # install - install a program, script, or datafile # This comes from X11R5 (mit/util/scripts/install.sh).