Re: Bug#156287: Advice on Drip (ITP #156287)

2003-07-30 Thread Robert Millan
This seems like a big can of worms. I think i'll just fix the bogus direct dependency on libdvdcss for Drip and bring Drip into Debian for now.. thanks all for your help. On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 08:01:21PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 01:49:48AM +, Robert Millan

Re: Bug#156287: Advice on Drip (ITP #156287)

2003-07-30 Thread Joe Moore
Robert Millan said: This is what the DMCA reads: (2) No person shall [...] import, [...] any technology, product, service, device, component or part thereof, [ like Drip+libdvdread+libdvdcss ] Anyway I find this discussion much useless, since the DMCA can't be applied to non-us. non-us

Re: Bug#154281: libdvdcss ITP

2003-07-30 Thread Robert Millan
[ this thread comes from libdvdcss ITP #154281 ] On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 01:21:53PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 02:01:46PM +, Robert Millan wrote: On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 11:31:08AM +0200, Sam Hocevar wrote: On Wed, Jul 30, 2003, Robert Millan wrote: As for

Re: Bug#156287: Advice on Drip (ITP #156287)

2003-07-30 Thread Robert Millan
I'll upload Drip to main when its independant of libdvdcss (through libdvdread), and other technical issues are solved. As for libdvdcss, see the other thread. On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 07:02:16AM -0400, Joe Moore wrote: Robert Millan said: This is what the DMCA reads: (2) No person shall

Re: Bug#156287: Advice on Drip (ITP #156287)

2003-07-30 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is an arbitrary distinction that has no clear basis in the law. You are also circumventing CSS by playing the DVD in question (viewing is also a form of access). Remember that CSS is a standard developed by a consortium of DVD *player

Re: Bug#156287: Advice on Drip (ITP #156287)

2003-07-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 09:09:10AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is an arbitrary distinction that has no clear basis in the law. You are also circumventing CSS by playing the DVD in question (viewing is also a form of access). Remember

Re: Bug#156287: Advice on Drip (ITP #156287)

2003-07-30 Thread Jeremy Hankins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is an arbitrary distinction that has no clear basis in the law. You are also circumventing CSS by playing the DVD in question (viewing is also a form of access). Remember that CSS is a standard

Re: Bug#156287: Advice on Drip (ITP #156287)

2003-07-30 Thread Robert Millan
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 01:05:02PM -0400, Jeremy Hankins wrote: I'm not absolutely clear what distinction Steve's referring to, but I assumed it was the distinction between decoding+copying and decoding+playing. My understanding is that it's the decoding (i.e., the circumvention) that's

translations under Creative Commons license?

2003-07-30 Thread Michael D. Crawford
Greetings, I have a question about how I can grant a license to translate a written article without granting a license to create any other derivative works. I am writing an article that I intend to release under a license such as the Creative Commons Attribution-NoDerivs license. The

Additional restriction to LGPL

2003-07-30 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi all, I'd like to package hawhaw (a php/wml library), but the licencing page strikes me as odd. Here's the relevant extract from http://www.hawhaw.de/main.htm#license : == HAWHAW PHP class library (hawhaw.inc) The HAWHAW PHP class library is free software; you can redistribute it

Re: translations under Creative Commons license?

2003-07-30 Thread Mark Rafn
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Michael D. Crawford wrote: I have a question about how I can grant a license to translate a written article without granting a license to create any other derivative works. What advice are you seeking? This is clearly non-free, so offtopic for Debian, but we have some

Re: Additional restriction to LGPL

2003-07-30 Thread Richard Braakman
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 08:58:02PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: [Big snip, I'll keep the two statements for contrast] If you modify this library, you have to make sure that the powered by HAWHAW copyright link below the display area is kept unchanged. You must give prominent notice with each

Re: Additional restriction to LGPL

2003-07-30 Thread Barak Pearlmutter
If you modify this library, you have to make sure that the powered by HAWHAW copyright link below the display area is kept unchanged. I queried the author about the including copywrite line, and got this response: IMHO this additional statement is covered by this sentence in the LGPL

Re: translations under Creative Commons license?

2003-07-30 Thread Michael D. Crawford
we have some folks who've thought about licenses a bit and may offer help anyway. that's my hope. I have chosen other licenses in the past without investigating them thoroughly, so this time I want to be careful. Bleh. Non-free means to promote freedom is a seriously flawed concept. Just

Re: translations under Creative Commons license?

2003-07-30 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Michael D. Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, are you suggesting that freedom would be better served if the GNU manifesto provided for modification? Note the manifesto's license: Permission is granted to anyone to make or distribute verbatim copies of this document, in any medium,

Re: translations under Creative Commons license?

2003-07-30 Thread Keith Dunwoody
Michael D. Crawford wrote: Suppose the Manifesto were a free document. That would allow Microsoft's PR flacks to update the Manifesto to exhort the user to protect corporate rights to intellectual property, and illustrate how respecting End User License Agreements stimulates not only the

Re: translations under Creative Commons license?

2003-07-30 Thread Richard Braakman
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 05:58:52PM -0400, Michael D. Crawford wrote: So, are you suggesting that freedom would be better served if the GNU manifesto provided for modification? Note the manifesto's license: Careful. You're likely to get your thread hooked into a discussion that's been going