Re: Mozilla Firefox's icon and trademark

2004-03-05 Thread Matthew Palmer
[This is so utterly -legal's territory. It's going over there] On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 01:41:23PM +1100, George Dekavalas wrote: Today I received this email from [EMAIL PROTECTED], so lets hope this helps [...] We definitely want to work with the Debian project such that Debian includes a

Re: licensing confusion

2004-03-05 Thread Humberto Massa
Marek Habersack wrote, among other interesting stuff: [T]he thing at stake is the use of OpenSSL or Cryptlib[1] in the Caudium[2] project. Looking at [2], I see clauses which make cryptlib not compatible with clauses #5 and #6 of the DFSG. Huh? I see no such clauses[1], unless you're

Re: Mozilla Firefox's icon and trademark

2004-03-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 05:13:51PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: [This is so utterly -legal's territory. It's going over there] And what's more, we just *had* this discussion in the past couple of days. It's even part of the same thread. On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 01:41:23PM +1100, George

Re: Mozilla Firefox's icon and trademark

2004-03-05 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We consider the former to be DFSG-free and the latter to be non-free (and require explicit permission to do the latter from the copyright holder). That's all there is to it. I can't imagine why Mozilla would want to forbid this, other than a total

Re: Experience with convincing people to DFSGize their licenses?

2004-03-05 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 02:16:16AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 06:14:50PM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: On Mar 3, 2004, at 17:24, Matthias Urlichs wrote: The next question is, which DFSG-free license would you recommend for (mostly-)non-program files?

Re: Experience with convincing people to DFSGize their licenses?

2004-03-05 Thread Humberto Massa
Branden Robinson: I think we need to start saying just MIT or MIT/old X11; we can't really say MIT/X11 any more. Eh? Why can't we? What's the new MIT/X11 license? I think he meant X11 (the new, problematic one) does not equals MIT or 2-clause BSD anymore; MIT/X11 seems to imply

nmap licensing claims

2004-03-05 Thread Birzan George Cristian
Hello! First of all, I would like to ask you to Cc: me to replies, as I am not subscribed to the list. Thanks in advance! Now, the reason I'm posting here is I've noticed the following claim made by nmap developers [1]: in accordance with section 4 of the GPL, we hereby terminate SCO's rights

Re: Experience with convincing people to DFSGize their licenses?

2004-03-05 Thread Måns Rullgård
Humberto Massa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Branden Robinson: I think we need to start saying just MIT or MIT/old X11; we can't really say MIT/X11 any more. Eh? Why can't we? What's the new MIT/X11 license? I think he meant X11 (the new, problematic one) does not equals MIT or XFree86 !=

Re: nmap licensing claims

2004-03-05 Thread Humberto Massa
Birzan George Cristian wrote: Now, my questions for you are: 1) Is nmap's licence GPL, or by adding that mention, they created a new licence? One: nmap's license is GPL. the mention you talked about is just a warning to SCO that, having violated the GPL, their license is terminated, in

Re: Experience with convincing people to DFSGize their licenses?

2004-03-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Humberto Massa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think he meant X11 (the new, problematic one) does not equals MIT or 2-clause BSD anymore; MIT/X11 seems to imply that. I agree. MIT/X would be ok, as in the MIT version of the X system license ugh. MIT is better (and shorter). I would be leery of

Re: Mozilla Firefox's icon and trademark

2004-03-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 12:26:55PM -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We consider the former to be DFSG-free and the latter to be non-free (and require explicit permission to do the latter from the copyright holder). That's all there is to it. I

Re: nmap licensing claims

2004-03-05 Thread Birzan George Cristian
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 05:11:40PM -0300, Humberto Massa wrote: In Fyodor's opinion, SCO violated some (yet unknown?) terms of the GPL Yet unknown? Isn't this the same thing SCO is doing, spreading FUD about how Linux violated their IP? license in his works (nmap). He is telling them their

Re: Experience with convincing people to DFSGize their licenses?

2004-03-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 01:54:04PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 02:16:16AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 06:14:50PM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: On Mar 3, 2004, at 17:24, Matthias Urlichs wrote: The next question is, which

Re: Experience with convincing people to DFSGize their licenses?

2004-03-05 Thread Måns Rullgård
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If we keep saying the MIT/X11 license is okay then some fuckhead will use the X-Oz license. Same problem that we have with the BSD licenses. Wouldn't it be nice to not call people fuckheads just because their choice of license doesn't please you? --

Re: Experience with convincing people to DFSGize their licenses?

2004-03-05 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 08:00, Andrew Suffield wrote: If we keep saying the MIT/X11 license is okay then some fuckhead will use the X-Oz license. It's like ... too subtle. You know? zen

Re: Mozilla Firefox's icon and trademark

2004-03-05 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 12:26:55PM -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We consider the former to be DFSG-free and the latter to be non-free (and require explicit permission to do the latter from the

subversion in main?

2004-03-05 Thread Warren Turkal
Subversion has some clauses in its license that seemed very questionable to me. Here they are for your convenience: 3. The end-user documentation included with the redistribution, if any, must include the following acknowledgment: This product includes software developed by CollabNet

Re: Mozilla Firefox's icon and trademark

2004-03-05 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 08:01:42PM -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 12:26:55PM -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: As a consequence of the above, even if we did have a copyright license to modify the icon or the bitmap of

Re: nmap licensing claims

2004-03-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 09:05:43PM +0200, Birzan George Cristian wrote: Now, the reason I'm posting here is I've noticed the following claim made by nmap developers [1]: in accordance with section 4 of the GPL, we hereby terminate SCO's rights to redistribute any versions of Nmap in any of