Re: Apple's APSL 2.0 Debian Free Software Guidelines-compliant?

2004-06-28 Thread Patrick Herzig
On Sun, 2004-06-27 at 14:36, Raul Miller wrote: On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 08:07:22AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: snip Any law or regulation which provides that the language of a contract shall be construed against the drafter will not apply to this License. What the heck does this

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Re: Apple's APSL 2.0 Debian Free Software Guidelines-compliant?

2004-06-28 Thread Raul Miller
It means either (a) that the license is not a contract, or (b) that the license is invalid. On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 04:53:11PM +0200, Patrick Herzig wrote: Combined with the principle of Precatory Language I'd have a strong leaning for (b) with respect to German jurisdiction. I suppose

Contracts and licenses

2004-06-28 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
Lex Spoon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brian Thomas Sniffen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Second, while acceptance alone does not obligate anything of you, some obligations do kick in if you try to use some of the rights you have been granted. For example, if you take the option to distribute

Re: Draft Summary: MPL is not DFSG free

2004-06-28 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 2004-06-25 17:00:42 +0100 Lex Spoon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] what we are usually talking about on debian-legal are the agreements, not the licenses granted in those agreements. Maybe this is indicative of a general topic drift in this list? I think

Re: Apple's APSL 2.0 Debian Free Software Guidelines-compliant?

2004-06-28 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 14:09:25 -0700 Josh Triplett wrote: See also section 12e of the DFSG FAQ at http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html Ah, I forgot that answer in the DFSG-FAQ... So my interpretation of DFSG#5 was too extremist: I apologize for the confusion. -- | GnuPG

Re: Contracts and licenses

2004-06-28 Thread Lewis Jardine
Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: License agreements are not contracts -- even the GPL is not, since I have not offered or performed anything in exchange for receiving those licenses. In many jurisdictions (Scotland is one, Germany another (IIRC)), consideration is not necessary to form a

Re: Contracts and licenses

2004-06-28 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Lewis Jardine [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Textbook Example: in Scotland, if you advertise a reward for returning your lost cellphone, you are contractually obligated to reward the person returning the phone. If you refuse, they can take you to court for this reward. (In this case, the phone is not

Re: Contracts and licenses

2004-06-28 Thread Lex Spoon
Brian Thomas Sniffen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but that is a nitpick IMHO. What good is an offer that you never plan to use? If you prefer, call the relevent clause of GPL to be an offer of a contract, instead of being a contract itself. It doesn't seem to change the essence of the

Re: Unterminated sentence at webwml/english/legal/licenses/dls-007-opl.wml

2004-06-28 Thread Frank Lichtenheld
On Sun, Jun 20, 2004 at 09:22:22PM -0300, Gustavo R. Montesino wrote: Hi, The last item at the summary in the mentioned page seems to be missing some words at the end: This clause is much too broad, and restricts all the freedoms that the/li Sorry for my long response time. Have

Licening ibwebadmin and JSRS

2004-06-28 Thread Remco Seesink
Hello, I am replying to a message from some time ago. This is the original thread: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/05/msg00797.html On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 10:09:52AM +0200, Remco Seesink wrote: Copyright: This JSRS stuff was written by me. I find it useful. Others find it

Re: Contracts and licenses

2004-06-28 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 03:03:06PM -0400, Lex Spoon wrote: That is not exactly my argument: I think you have to agree to a license agreement before you gain the included license, and I also think a license agreement can perfectly well make requirements on both parties while still being a

Re: Summaries in general, was: Summary Update: MPL ...

2004-06-28 Thread MJ Ray
Interesting reply, but it seems to have missed my main point. On 2004-06-26 18:30:40 +0100 Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, IIUC, you propose that summaries should be split into two `variants' This part is correct. in your opinion, every license should be summarized by one

Re: Licening ibwebadmin and JSRS

2004-06-28 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-06-28 23:39:57 +0100 Remco Seesink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: however they see fit. You may not copyright it yourself or change the rules I have ^ set on how it can be used. [...] It appears to deny me the right to assert copyright in

Re: Apple's APSL 2.0 Debian Free Software Guidelines-compliant?

2004-06-28 Thread Josh Triplett
Nathanael Nerode wrote: Ryan Rasmussen wrote: 10. Trademarks. This License does not grant any rights to use the trademarks or trade names Apple, Apple Computer, Mac, Mac OS, QuickTime, QuickTime Streaming Server or any other trademarks, service marks, logos or trade names belonging to Apple