Re: GPL-licensed packages with depend-chain to OpenSSL

2004-09-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 02:16:00AM +0200, Claus F?rber wrote: > It ultimatly does not make sense if you can choose one of several > libraries (with different licenses) that can be dynamically linked > against a program without recompiling it. > > For example, you distribute a program linked ag

Re: GPL-licensed packages with depend-chain to OpenSSL

2004-09-05 Thread Raul Miller
> Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb/wrote: > > This is all irrelevant. The issue is that you can't distribute GPL > > binaries *linked against* GPL-incompatible libraries. On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 02:16:00AM +0200, Claus Färber wrote: > It's more complicated than that when dynamic linking

Re: GPL-licensed packages with depend-chain to OpenSSL

2004-09-05 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 02:16:00AM +0200, Claus Färber wrote: > Again, it is more complicated. What if you have both a free and binary- > compatible proprietory version of the os? E.g., is a Windows program > linked against the Windows DLLs if users can run it with wine? What > about Linux bin

Re: GPL-licensed packages with depend-chain to OpenSSL

2004-09-05 Thread Joseph Lorenzo Hall
On 06 Sep 2004 02:54:00 +0200, Claus Färber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb/wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 09:07:00PM +0200, Claus F?rber wrote: > >> Of course, in such simple cases, they can be thought of having given > >> implicit permission to link ag

Re: GPL-licensed packages with depend-chain to OpenSSL

2004-09-05 Thread Claus Färber
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb/wrote: > On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 09:07:00PM +0200, Claus F?rber wrote: >> Of course, in such simple cases, they can be thought of having given >> implicit permission to link against OpenSSL. > There is no such thing as implicit permission in copyright la

Re: GPL-licensed packages with depend-chain to OpenSSL

2004-09-05 Thread Claus Färber
Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb/wrote: > On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 09:07:00PM +0200, Claus Färber wrote: >> Brian Thomas Sniffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb/wrote: If we follow this interpretation, this means that you can't distribute an closed source OS with GPL tools. IMO, this

Re: GPL-licensed packages with depend-chain to OpenSSL

2004-09-05 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 09:07:00PM +0200, Claus Färber wrote: > Brian Thomas Sniffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb/wrote: > >> If we follow this interpretation, this means that you can't distribute > >> an closed source OS with GPL tools. IMO, this was not the intention of > >> the GPL authors. If yo

Re: GPL-licensed packages with depend-chain to OpenSSL

2004-09-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 09:07:00PM +0200, Claus F?rber wrote: > Of course, in such simple cases, they can be thought of having given > implicit permission to link against OpenSSL. There is no such thing as implicit permission in copyright law (or even contract law). That only works for verbal agre

Re: GPL-licensed packages with depend-chain to OpenSSL

2004-09-05 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 08:56:00PM +0200, Claus Färber wrote: > Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb/wrote: > > Huh? Whether such a library is "normally distributed with the major > > components of the operating system" isn't related to the existance of > > emulation libraries. > > Well, if

Re: GPL-licensed packages with depend-chain to OpenSSL

2004-09-05 Thread Raul Miller
On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 09:07:00PM +0200, Claus Färber wrote: > They did. Solaris 9 reportedly comes with GNU tools (I can't check it > myself because I don't have a machine running Solaris). You can get gnu tools for solaris from http://www.sunfreeware.com To my knowledge, gnu tools are not supp

Re: GPL-licensed packages with depend-chain to OpenSSL

2004-09-05 Thread Lewis Jardine
Claus Färber wrote: the author put it under the GPL because he *didn't* want it shipped with software with restrictions like OpenSSL's. I see: Someone releasing a program written in curl under the GPL does not want it to be distributed along with an operating system that includes the curl runt

Re: GPL-licensed packages with depend-chain to OpenSSL

2004-09-05 Thread Claus Färber
David Schleef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb/wrote: > For one thing, it's absolutely not possible to run the binary in > such a way that openssl is not part of the process image. You can use an alternative implementation (of libcurl *or* OpenSSL) that offers the same ABI without pulling in OpenSSL.

Re: GPL-licensed packages with depend-chain to OpenSSL

2004-09-05 Thread Claus Färber
Brian Thomas Sniffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb/wrote: >> If we follow this interpretation, this means that you can't distribute >> an closed source OS with GPL tools. IMO, this was not the intention of >> the GPL authors. If you have to distribute the component with the GPL >> software, this is a

Re: GPL-licensed packages with depend-chain to OpenSSL

2004-09-05 Thread Claus Färber
Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb/wrote: > Huh? Whether such a library is "normally distributed with the major > components of the operating system" isn't related to the existance of > emulation libraries. Well, if you have different choices even on a single operating system, this is an

Re: GPL-licensed packages with depend-chain to OpenSSL

2004-09-05 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
Ken Arromdee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, Andrew Suffield wrote: >> I find a decent smoke test for aggregation to be: >> >> Can I take these two packages on the same CD and split them apart >> again, such that they are no longer aggregated, and still use them? > > This defini

Re: GPL-licensed packages with depend-chain to OpenSSL

2004-09-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 10:03:31PM -0700, Ken Arromdee wrote: > On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > I find a decent smoke test for aggregation to be: > > > > Can I take these two packages on the same CD and split them apart > > again, such that they are no longer aggregated, and still u

Re: GPL-licensed packages with depend-chain to OpenSSL

2004-09-05 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, Andrew Suffield wrote: > I find a decent smoke test for aggregation to be: > > Can I take these two packages on the same CD and split them apart > again, such that they are no longer aggregated, and still use them? This definition suggests that all Emacs macros are derived fro