Re: non-free firmware: driver in main or contrib?

2004-10-24 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 03:41:13AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Is this the case even if the firmware is in a flash chip attached to the device? If the total amount of non-free software on a user's system is the same regardless, why are we concerned about how it's packaged? 'kay, this has

Abwesenheitsnotiz: Hi

2004-10-24 Thread Riegert, Ulrich
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Re: non-free firmware: driver in main or contrib?

2004-10-24 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The point is, some drivers DO require firmwares. I'd rather say: Some But, as I explained, this is not correct: hardware devices require firmwares, not drivers. -- ciao, Marco

Re: ITP some 13 years old code with unknown license

2004-10-24 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Atari game, and he said its OK. Of course I tried to contact der Mouse, but without luck. And since Mouse is widely used in computing, Google didn't return something usefull. You need to know what to look for... der Mouse is well known in some circles. :-) mailto:[EMAIL

Re: Academic Free License 2.1 -- free or not?

2004-10-24 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:04:58 +0200 Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: Francesco Poli wrote: The software was legally distributed to me, and that gives me some entitlements under copyright law. Which ones? Please explain (IANAL, hence I'm not so knowledgeable...). Most copyright laws state

which Debian section?

2004-10-24 Thread Oded Shimon
Not sure if this is the best place to ask this: I built a program, and am now working on a creating a Debian package for it. the program is an MEncoder frontend, and it depends on MPlayer to work (without it, it would crash on startup). MPlayer is not in the debian archives, from what I

Re: which Debian section?

2004-10-24 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Oded, Am 2004-10-24 13:40:55, schrieb Oded Shimon: Not sure if this is the best place to ask this: I built a program, and am now working on a creating a Debian package for it. the program is an MEncoder frontend, and it depends on MPlayer to work (without it, it would crash on

Re: which Debian section?

2004-10-24 Thread Josh Triplett
Oded Shimon wrote: Not sure if this is the best place to ask this: debian-legal is indeed the appropriate list for such questions. I built a program, and am now working on a creating a Debian package for it. the program is an MEncoder frontend, and it depends on MPlayer to work (without it,

Preferred license for forums content - Part II

2004-10-24 Thread Sebastian Feltel
Hi, some time ago I asked [1] for the prefered license for a debian web forum. Now its time to force the license change for my forum [2] and so I want you to ask again if some plans I made are correct. - Changing license by date I want to change the license for postings which arrive after

Re: non-free firmware: driver in main or contrib?

2004-10-24 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 03:41:13AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The point is, some drivers DO require firmwares. I'd rather say: Some depend on firmware. In that case, if the firmware is non-free, the driver can't go in main. Is this the case even if

Re: non-free firmware: driver in main or contrib?

2004-10-24 Thread Matthew Garrett
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 03:41:13AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Is this the case even if the firmware is in a flash chip attached to the device? If the total amount of non-free software on a user's system is the same regardless, why are we concerned

Re: which Debian section?

2004-10-24 Thread Oded Shimon
On Sunday 24 October 2004 18:31, Josh Triplett wrote: debian-legal is indeed the appropriate list for such questions. Yup, so i noticed after skimming the archives after i sent my message :) Your program requires a package outside of main for execution (and should have a Depends for that

Re: Preferred license for forums content - Part II

2004-10-24 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 07:28:12PM +0200, Sebastian Feltel wrote: The new introductory statement will look like this: --- All Postings published in the forums/databases of this website are -if they were created or modified

Re: non-free firmware: driver in main or contrib?

2004-10-24 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 03:41:13AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Is this the case even if the firmware is in a flash chip attached to the device? If the total amount of non-free software on a user's system is

Re: non-free firmware: driver in main or contrib?

2004-10-24 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: Ignoring Brian's strange arguments about rodents, I can see no cases where the user has more freedom if the firmware comes from an eeprom rather than from a CD. He can sell the device with the firmware in it, How's that different? If the

Re: non-free firmware: driver in main or contrib?

2004-10-24 Thread Raul Miller
Ignoring Brian's strange arguments about rodents, I can see no cases where the user has more freedom if the firmware comes from an eeprom rather than from a CD. On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: He can sell the device with the firmware in it, On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at

Re: non-free firmware: driver in main or contrib?

2004-10-24 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, Raul Miller wrote: Ignoring Brian's strange arguments about rodents, I can see no cases where the user has more freedom if the firmware comes from an eeprom rather than from a CD. He can sell the device with the firmware in it, How's that different? If the

Re: which Debian section?

2004-10-24 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-10-24 23:27:00 +0100 Oded Shimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Having my program directly depend on MPlayer would force most users to either use dpkg --force, or install the package. ...or use an equivs package. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/equivs

Re: non-free firmware: driver in main or contrib?

2004-10-24 Thread Raul Miller
It's different because, when the firmware is built into the device, the person who has the device has the firmware. On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 05:41:31PM -0700, Ken Arromdee wrote: The person who has the device doesn't neceessarily have the firmware, because the firmware can be removed. The

Re: non-free firmware: driver in main or contrib?

2004-10-24 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, Raul Miller wrote: The person who has the device doesn't neceessarily have the firmware, because the firmware can be removed. The person doesn't have the device at that point -- only part of it. The same reasoning applies for both examples if you refer to the