Re: mass bug filing for unmet dependencies (Was: firmware status for eagle-usb-*)

2004-10-29 Thread Benoit PAPILLAULT
Raul Miller a écrit : Those boot loaders are not in main. Which bootloaders are you talking about? So far, lilo/grub/yaboot are in main. Benoit PAPILLAULT

Re: Our Stance on new Sender ID Revision?

2004-10-29 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 09:19:20PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: * Martin Schulze: According to a Reuters story, Microsoft's Sender-ID standard has been revised and will be resubmitted to the IETF. That's so vague and so many levels removed from primary source material that it could mean

Re: firmware status for eagle-usb-*

2004-10-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 10:05:05PM -0400, Michael Poole wrote: BIOSes are in the EPROM case that I've described--part of the hardware, already present--and go in main. How does this exception follow from either the SC, DFSG or Policy? Hardware is not part of Debian,

Re: mass bug filing for unmet dependencies

2004-10-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 10:10:47PM -0400, Michael Poole wrote: Conflict in what way? It says contrib and non-free are for works that do not conform to the DFSG. Packages in contrib conform to the DFSG but depend on software that does not. If I interpret the SC's

Re: mass bug filing for unmet dependencies

2004-10-29 Thread Michael Poole
Raul Miller writes: You can't build those boot loaders on a system which hasn't been booted. So not only is there a runtime dependency from the boot loader to the BIOS, but there is a Build-Depends-like dependency as well. I still see no conflict with the SC or Policy. There are a number of

Re: firmware status for eagle-usb-*

2004-10-29 Thread Michael Poole
Glenn Maynard writes: On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 10:05:05PM -0400, Michael Poole wrote: BIOSes are in the EPROM case that I've described--part of the hardware, already present--and go in main. How does this exception follow from either the SC, DFSG or Policy? Hardware is not part of

Re: mass bug filing for unmet dependencies (Was: firmware status for eagle-usb-*)

2004-10-29 Thread Raul Miller
Raul Miller a écrit : Those boot loaders are not in main. On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 08:21:53AM +0200, Benoit PAPILLAULT wrote: Which bootloaders are you talking about? So far, lilo/grub/yaboot are in main. I was talking about the prior bootloader stage in rom (typically in the bios), which

Re: mass bug filing for unmet dependencies

2004-10-29 Thread Raul Miller
On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 11:11:23AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: Then let's forget for a minute boot loaders. What about all drivers which interact with non-free software stored in computers and their peripherals? I think you're forgetting about more than boot loaders, since this has been

Re: mass bug filing for unmet dependencies

2004-10-29 Thread Raul Miller
On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 08:38:21AM -0400, Michael Poole wrote: So not only is there a runtime dependency from the boot loader to the BIOS, but there is a Build-Depends-like dependency as well. I still see no conflict with the SC or Policy. I'm not sure if this is because you just plain can't

Re: mass bug filing for unmet dependencies (Was: firmware status for eagle-usb-*)

2004-10-29 Thread Michael Poole
Raul Miller writes: Raul Miller a écrit : Those boot loaders are not in main. On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 08:21:53AM +0200, Benoit PAPILLAULT wrote: Which bootloaders are you talking about? So far, lilo/grub/yaboot are in main. I was talking about the prior bootloader stage in rom

Re: mass bug filing for unmet dependencies

2004-10-29 Thread Michael Poole
Raul Miller writes: On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 08:38:21AM -0400, Michael Poole wrote: So not only is there a runtime dependency from the boot loader to the BIOS, but there is a Build-Depends-like dependency as well. I still see no conflict with the SC or Policy. I'm not sure if this is

Re: mass bug filing for unmet dependencies

2004-10-29 Thread Raul Miller
On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 10:55:57AM -0400, Michael Poole wrote: We ignore that bios dependency because it's trivial to write the software which serves that role, but in most cases practically impossible to change the hardware to use the resulting software. In other words, it's a hardware

Re: mass bug filing for unmet dependencies

2004-10-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then let's forget for a minute boot loaders. What about all drivers which interact with non-free software stored in computers and their peripherals? I think you're forgetting about more than boot loaders, since this has been explained more than once. However, I'll

SCO Ip right's claim on linux and SCO Intellectual Property License Program

2004-10-29 Thread Shawn Robinson
My little brother was approached by SCO yesterday regarding licensing his linux servers so as to avoid being possibly sued by SCO for copyright infringment. I am wondering as to what the Linux comunity thinks regarding this Licensing program, and if it is even legal.I have my doubts