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Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-21 Thread Derick Rethans
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Josh Triplett wrote: I am totally fine if people put it in distributions as php4-xdebug. AFAIK freebsd's ports already have this, and so will Mandrake in the forseeable feature. It would be silly of me to prohibit this, and this is what IMO the license never intended

Re: [xdebug-general] Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-21 Thread Derick Rethans
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Josh Triplett wrote: This is much broader. For example, I cannot write a derivative called Brian's Xdebug or Xdebug manual or even A third-party manual for Xdebug. The manual is no problem, that's not a derived product. It could very well be a derivative; a manual

Re: [xdebug-general] Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-21 Thread Derick Rethans
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Michael K. Edwards wrote: The trouble, I think, is that derived product has a legal meaning (in the context of copyright) contrary to your common-sense interpretation. Anything other than an exact copy of the source code you distribute (or, if you distribute binaries,

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-21 Thread Måns Rullgård
Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Josh Triplett wrote: This is much broader. For example, I cannot write a derivative called Brian's Xdebug or Xdebug manual or even A third-party manual for Xdebug. The manual is no problem, that's not a derived product. It

Re: IRAF component relicensed

2004-12-21 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Josh Triplett [EMAIL PROTECTED] One suggestion: you might be able to make the necessary modifications to BSD yacc, which I think descends from the original UNIX yacc by way of BSD UNIX and the whole ATT vs. BSD issue. In this particular case, the modifications consist of changing the

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-21 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Josh Triplett wrote: Debian packages frequently contain changes from the upstream versions. (These patches are generally sent upstream, but the Debian maintainer will often apply a patch without waiting for a new upstream

Re: IRAF component relicensed

2004-12-21 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 10:45:51AM +, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Josh Triplett [EMAIL PROTECTED] One suggestion: you might be able to make the necessary modifications to BSD yacc, which I think descends from the original UNIX yacc by way of BSD UNIX and the whole ATT vs. BSD

Re: [xdebug-general] Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-21 Thread Michael K. Edwards
The trouble, I think, is that derived product has a legal meaning (in the context of copyright) contrary to your common-sense interpretation. Anything other than an exact copy of the source code you distribute (or, if you distribute binaries, exact copies of them) -- even an unpatched

Re: IRAF component relicensed

2004-12-21 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 10:45:51AM +, Henning Makholm wrote In this particular case, the modifications consist of changing the output language from C to something else. That sounds fairly major; the entire parsing engine would have been

Re: [xdebug-general] Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-21 Thread Michael K. Edwards
me Universal Commercial Code s/Universal/Uniform/ (whoops) This and other Model Acts, on which a lot of state laws in the US are based, may be found at http://www.law.upenn.edu/bll/ulc/ulc.htm . Cheers, - Michael

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-21 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 11:10:11AM +0100, M?ns Rullg?rd wrote: Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Josh Triplett wrote: This is much broader. For example, I cannot write a derivative called Brian's Xdebug or Xdebug manual or even A third-party manual for

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-21 Thread Måns Rullgård
Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 11:10:11AM +0100, M?ns Rullg?rd wrote: Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Josh Triplett wrote: This is much broader. For example, I cannot write a derivative called Brian's Xdebug or Xdebug

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-21 Thread Michael K. Edwards
An idea parallel to fair use is present in the Berne Convention, under the name fair practice: Article 10 (1) It shall be permissible to make quotations from a work which has already been lawfully made available to the public, provided that their making is compatible with fair practice, and their