Re: Illustrating JVM bindings

2005-01-26 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 09:38:19AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: If I understand you correctly, you could address all your company's concerns by licensing the headers and build files needed to compile your libraries under BSD (or maybe LGPL) and license the rest of your content under GPL. Or is

Re: Is phpGrabComics legal?

2005-01-26 Thread Andres Baravalle
Raul Miller wrote: On Sat, Jan 22, 2005 at 01:50:58PM +, Andres Baravalle wrote: I suppose that it would mean excluding *all* the syndicated comics (dilbert, calvin and hobbes etc.). They cover 2/3 of the comics. They will not give me an explicit permission, but I'd like to know if I'm

Re: Bug#292260: Should be moved from non-free to main

2005-01-26 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Marco d'Itri wrote: Many packages in the past have been accepted in main with updated licensing terms even if their last formal release contained a different and non-free license. To my understanding, at least, the licenses for these packages involved direct communication

Re: Taking a position on anti-patent licenses (was ' Re: Bug#289856: mdnsresponder: Wrong license')

2005-01-26 Thread OSS
Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 11:41:31PM +1300, Nick Phillips wrote: On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 09:17:34PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: Lost attribution, Josh I think Requiring that distributors of a piece of software refrain from making accusations of patent infringement

Re: Taking a position on anti-patent licenses (was ' Re: Bug#289856: mdnsresponder: Wrong license')

2005-01-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 12:27:44PM -0700, OSS wrote: Steve, If I follow you correctly A - writes program #49 and licenced under GPL-compliant-patent-defending-licence B - distributed program #49 to C-D (may or may not have made enhancement/change) C - determines their patent

Re: [Pkg-alsa-devel] RFS: alsa-tools

2005-01-26 Thread Mikael Magnusson
Dan Chen wrote: --- Mikael Magnusson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have debianized alsa-tools and am looking for a sponsor. What is the status of alsa-tools being in Debian legally? Rather, what is debian-legal's stance on these packages? Since the firmware has been separated out into upstream's

Re: handling Mozilla with kid gloves [was: GUADEC report]

2005-01-26 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:32:44 + Mark Brown wrote: I stopped making the periodic summaries and no-one has complained yet. I'm not used to complain if a volunteer seems to not have enough time to get a job done... (unless he/she has promised to do so, but this is not the case now IIRC).

Re: Illustrating JVM bindings

2005-01-26 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:38:19 -0500, Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Because all public interfaces is too general a concept. Too general for what? Not too general for the precedents and public policy imperatives to be applicable. Not too general to describe clearly. Not too general

Re: Illustrating JVM bindings

2005-01-26 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:38:19 -0500, Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because all public interfaces is too general a concept. On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 03:03:57PM -0800, Michael K. Edwards wrote: Too general for what? That is indeed a good question. Once we settle what it is that we're

Re: Illustrating JVM bindings

2005-01-26 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 03:09:58PM -0800, Michael K. Edwards wrote: Great. Except either this interpretation isn't part of the contract, and therefore doesn't bind other contributors, or else I've created another little almost-GPL fiefdom, and any bit of code that turns out to have been

Re: Taking a position on anti-patent licenses (was ' Re: Bug#289856: mdnsresponder: Wrong license')

2005-01-26 Thread MJ Ray
Steve Langasek wrote: I don't think that Josh has said that -- especially given that you do not have to have a copyright license to *use* a program. [...] That given was only clarified in English law fairly recently, added by implementing some EU directive in the 1990s IIRC. In general, it

Re: Taking a position on anti-patent licenses (was ' Re: Bug#289856: mdnsresponder: Wrong license')

2005-01-26 Thread MJ Ray
I'm sorry that Nick feels misunderstood. The point I was trying to make was that the proposition as written was far too broad and agreeing with it probably means agreeing with popular bogeymen like the pet a cat licence. Nick wrote: So the question I was trying to ask was do we believe that

Re: handling Mozilla with kid gloves [was: GUADEC report]

2005-01-26 Thread MJ Ray
Mark Brown For what it's worth I'd noticed that the summaries had vanished - Francesco Poli So did I. Thanks for that and the comments off-list. What would the period summaries have done to help you with the Eclipse thread? Or did you mean the long licence summaries? What would they have done?

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Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-26 Thread Walter Landry
Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Walter Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Jan 22, 2005 at 09:58:00AM +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote: Interpreters are a different issue from the exec() situation.

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-26 Thread Walter Landry
Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 10:49:42PM -0500, Walter Landry wrote: When one work requires the other in order to function, then you have gotten past mere aggregation. So Emacs is not required for Kaffe to work, or vice versa. Putting them on the same medium

Re: License of Open Solaris CDDL

2005-01-26 Thread Juhapekka Tolvanen
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am not going to package any software under that license. I just want to know, if installing, running and using software under such license is ethically right thing to do. If it's not about debian, it's probably off-topic for debian-legal. I'll stop here

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-26 Thread Måns Rullgård
Walter Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Walter Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Jan 22, 2005 at 09:58:00AM +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote: Interpreters are a

Status of icons in latex2html

2005-01-26 Thread Stephen Gran
Hello all, I am packaging clamav, and upstream uses latex2html to generate the html documentation for it. The problem is that upstream has not been including the icons from latex2html in the distributed tarball, breaking links for users who don't happen to have latex2html installed (the

Re: License of Open Solaris CDDL

2005-01-26 Thread MJ Ray
Juhapekka Tolvanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It may sound off-topic first, but think about these future scenarios: They are actually that: future. By the time they occur, we'll probably have had CDDL 1.2, 1.2.5, 1.2.5.1, 6, 7, 8 and 10 ;-) Anyone can ask again when it's relevant. -- To

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-26 Thread Raul Miller
Section 2 is about the restrictions which come into play when you build a modified form of Kaffe, which is not the case for Eclipse. Eclipse involves no modifications of Kaffe. On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 09:50:17PM -0500, Walter Landry wrote: Debian modifies Kaffe and distributes Eclipse with

Re: Taking a position on anti-patent licenses (was ' Re: Bug#289856: mdnsresponder: Wrong license')

2005-01-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 01:26:27AM +, MJ Ray wrote: Steve Langasek wrote: I don't think that Josh has said that -- especially given that you do not have to have a copyright license to *use* a program. [...] That given was only clarified in English law fairly recently, added by

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-26 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 09:53:03PM -0500, Walter Landry wrote: The GPL puts restrictions on whole works. True. Requires to run is a useful heuristic to determine what a whole work is. Kaffe does not require Eclipse to run. So by this heuristic, Eclipse is not a part of Kaffe. If you have

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-26 Thread Michael Poole
Raul Miller writes: On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 09:53:03PM -0500, Walter Landry wrote: But I have only seen people talk about derivative works, and the GPL clearly goes beyond just derived works. [1] I don't think this phrase derivative works means what you think it means. [2] Whether

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-26 Thread Raul Miller
In other words: derivative works include mere aggregation. On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 11:57:29PM -0500, Michael Poole wrote: As a point of law, derivative works are not a superset of mere aggregation in the US, and I suspect not in other jursidictions. 17 USC 101 requires that a derivative