Re: Let's stop feeding the NVidia cuckoo

2005-03-04 Thread Matthew Garrett
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the hand-crafted binary example, it would be *possible* to do both of those. Notice that the freedom doesn't require it to be easy. It's near the border, about where the nv driver was accused of being: free but hard to hack. I don't really see how you can

Re: Let's stop feeding the NVidia cuckoo

2005-03-04 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jeremy Hankins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all (and most telling, to my view) there's are a lot of reasonably in this definition. I think you're using these to paper over a lot of difficult cases. It doesn't work very well for our purposes

Re: Let's stop feeding the NVidia cuckoo

2005-03-04 Thread Matthew Garrett
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But how do you argue that a hand-crafted binary is sufficiently modifiable without also admitting the possibility that the output of a C compiler may be sufficiently modifiable? I think it depends what the upstream

Re: Let's stop feeding the NVidia cuckoo

2005-03-04 Thread A Mennucc
Andrew Suffield wrote: Intermediate cases require the exercise of judgement, as always. A photograph of the Eiffel Tower is probably the best we're going to get; there's only one of them and it won't fit in the archive. A photograph of a PCB layout, constructed by a secret program, is not a

Re: Let's stop feeding the NVidia cuckoo

2005-03-04 Thread MJ Ray
Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But how do you argue that a hand-crafted binary is sufficiently modifiable without also admitting the possibility that the output of a C compiler may be sufficiently

Re: Let's stop feeding the NVidia cuckoo

2005-03-04 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But how do you argue that a hand-crafted binary is sufficiently modifiable without also admitting the possibility that the output of a C compiler may be sufficiently modifiable?

Re: Let's stop feeding the NVidia cuckoo

2005-03-04 Thread Joel Aelwyn
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 06:59:44PM -0800, Michael K. Edwards wrote: On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:15:41 -0700, Joel Aelwyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Actually, we aim to throw out 100% of closed-source software. But I'm assuming you were just being careless with trying to make a point.

Re: Let's stop feeding the NVidia cuckoo

2005-03-04 Thread Joel Aelwyn
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 06:52:07PM +, Brett Parker wrote: Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip / I rephrase: how can you argue that a hand-crafted binary is not sufficiently modifiable to offer the freedom to study and adapt? How you can argue that a binary output by a

Re: Let's stop feeding the NVidia cuckoo

2005-03-04 Thread Francesco Poli
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 01:42:58 + Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] But in the case of the photographer Laura, if she thinks (in good faith) that she has the JPEG only, then JPEG is her preferred form for modification. When she finds out that another