Re: Dissident test (was re: CDDL)

2005-09-13 Thread MJ Ray
Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Dissident test is a test for DFSG #5, so it does matter. See: No, it is not. The dissident test is something which a few debian-legal@ contributors invented, but which has no grounds in the DFSG. It originated in

Re: DRAFT: d-d-a mail about removing non-free documentation

2005-09-13 Thread MJ Ray
Frank Lichtenheld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since one of our release goals for etch is to remove any non-DFSG-free documentation from main here some comments from the release team on 1. Wishlist: non-DFSG-free seems odd and invites the DFSG aren't DFDG response. Maybe documentation which doesn't

Re: GPL, yet again. (The kernel is a lot like a shared library)

2005-09-13 Thread Claus Färber
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb/wrote: On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 05:52:00PM +0200, Claus F?rber wrote: So one of the assumptions made above is wrong. The one where you assumed that dynamic linking was relevent. I've been saying that all along. You were also saying that C is probably

Re: video libs not DFSG compliant

2005-09-13 Thread Diego Biurrun
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 10:29:33PM +0200, giskard wrote: i need the support of debian-legal@ because i wanted to know if: - libavcodec2 - libxvidcore4 - libmjpegtools - libfaad2 FWIW, libavcodec has multiple copies in Debian (xine, vlc, avifile, ..), libfaad is part of xine. Diego --

Re: GPL: Static/Dynamic vs Derivative work and the Conservative position (Re: GPL, yet again.)

2005-09-13 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Don Armstrong wrote: [...] The argument of the FSF has been (and continues to be, TTBOMK) that dynamic linking with a GPLed work forms a derivative work when the binary is distributed. I have yet to see any arguments from the FSF apart from baseless and totally lunatic claims regarding

Linuxsampler license

2005-09-13 Thread Harri Järvi
Hello, Linuxsampler is packaged in debian unstable. It would seem to me that Linuxsampler currently is not compatible with DFSG. I hope the readers of this mailing list have more information about this kind of a problem and how to address it with the authors of the software and also with debian.

Re: DRAFT: d-d-a mail about removing non-free documentation

2005-09-13 Thread Frank Lichtenheld
Current version can be found at http://release.debian.org/removing-non-free-documentation On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 07:32:01AM +, MJ Ray wrote: Frank Lichtenheld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since one of our release goals for etch is to remove any non-DFSG-free documentation from main here

Re: DRAFT: d-d-a mail about removing non-free documentation

2005-09-13 Thread MJ Ray
Frank Lichtenheld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MJ Ray wrote: 5. Wishlist: use gfdl-1.2, cc-2.5, ... as applicable. We may yet get improvements. Hmm, I don't know if we win anything by doing this. Either the license if free, then we can close the bug, or it is non-free, in this case we don't

Re: Linuxsampler license

2005-09-13 Thread Justin Pryzby
On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 05:54:35PM +0300, Harri J?rvi wrote: Hello, Linuxsampler is packaged in debian unstable. It would seem to me that Linuxsampler currently is not compatible with DFSG. Agree. Also it seems to me that Linuxsampler's authors wouldn't be allowed to make the kind of a

Re: Linuxsampler license

2005-09-13 Thread Justin Pryzby
On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 01:02:43PM -0400, pryzbyj wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 05:54:35PM +0300, Harri J?rvi wrote: Hello, Linuxsampler is packaged in debian unstable. It would seem to me that Linuxsampler currently is not compatible with DFSG. Agree. I'm filing a grave bug

Re: GPL, yet again. (The kernel is a lot like a shared library)

2005-09-13 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 9/12/05, Yorick Cool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Well, either you consider the FSF's positions are authoritative and then you have to accept them all (including the dynamic linking business), or you admit you can depart with any of their assertions. And where can I find more details

Re: GPL, yet again. (The kernel is a lot like a shared library)

2005-09-13 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 09:51:29PM +0200, Alexander Terekhov wrote: And, as an aside, in civil law at least, the court has full power as to how to qualify an act -- say it is a contract, or license, or whatever -- but is bound by the parties intent of the act's intended effects, in the

Re: GPL, yet again. (The kernel is a lot like a shared library)

2005-09-13 Thread Yorick Cool
On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 09:51:29PM +0200, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Alexander On 9/12/05, Yorick Cool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexander [...] Alexander Well, either you consider the FSF's positions are authoritative and then you have to Alexander accept them all (including the dynamic linking

Re: GPL, yet again. (The kernel is a lot like a shared library)

2005-09-13 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 9/14/05, Yorick Cool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [... FSF: assert(!is_contract(GPL)); ...] Alexander Well, either you consider the FSF's positions are authoritative and then you have to Alexander accept them all (including the dynamic linking business), or you admit Alexander you can

Re: DRAFT: d-d-a mail about removing non-free documentation

2005-09-13 Thread Francesco Poli
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:47:26 +0200 Frank Lichtenheld wrote: Something like a BSD-style license should be fine but the lack of copyleft might be disliked by the author. My top recommendations: Expat (a.k.a. MIT) http://www.jclark.com/xml/copying.txt 2-clause BSD

Re: GPL, yet again. (The kernel is a lot like a shared library)

2005-09-13 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 01:14:21AM +0200, Alexander Terekhov wrote: However, nothing else grants you permission to modify or distribute the Program or its derivative works. That may be true in the GNU Republic. Exclusive distribution right is about copies (material objects), not works.

Re: GPL, yet again. (The kernel is a lot like a shared library)

2005-09-13 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 9/14/05, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 01:14:21AM +0200, Alexander Terekhov wrote: However, nothing else grants you permission to modify or distribute the Program or its derivative works. That may be true in the GNU Republic. Exclusive

Problems with ntp

2005-09-13 Thread Nathanael Nerode
I just discovered that the ntp source is a nest of licensing problems. The arlib subdir isn't distributable. Neither is the entire libparse subdir, or anything else by Frank Kardel. I'm not actually sure it will build without these bits. So I guess NTP should be removed from Debian. It's not