Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread cascardo
Hello, I have asked some CDs from Ubuntu and they have sent me their Debian-based distro for free (as in free beer). However, they contain GPL-licensed software, including dpkg, but not their sources. I also couldn't find any written offer for them in my mail package. Should I consider this an

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread Jan Lübbe
Am Dienstag, den 08.11.2005, 10:37 -0200 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, I have asked some CDs from Ubuntu and they have sent me their Debian-based distro for free (as in free beer). However, they contain GPL-licensed software, including dpkg, but not their sources. I also couldn't find

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread cascardo
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 02:51:07PM +0100, Jan Lübbe wrote: Am Dienstag, den 08.11.2005, 10:37 -0200 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, I have asked some CDs from Ubuntu and they have sent me their Debian-based distro for free (as in free beer). However, they contain GPL-licensed

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread Joey Hess
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you people in debian-legal think about people who distribute ISO images on their websites but no ISO with sources nor a written promise? Should we consider there is an implicit offer and just ask for the sources? A file is a file is a file. It doesn't matter

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread Olive
What do you people in debian-legal think about people who distribute ISO images on their websites but no ISO with sources nor a written promise? Should we consider there is an implicit offer and just ask for the sources? I am not a lawyer nor a devlepper of Debian, I just give my humble

KJV Bible - Crown Copyright in UK [was: Bug#338077: ITP: sword-text-kvj -- King James Version with Strongs Numbers and Morphology]

2005-11-08 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
( Please mail followups to: [EMAIL PROTECTED], debian-legal@lists.debian.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 10:13:42AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Quoting Lionel Elie Mamane [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 08:51:26PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread cascardo
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 11:57:05AM -0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you people in debian-legal think about people who distribute ISO images on their websites but no ISO with sources nor a written promise? Should we consider there is an implicit offer and just ask for the sources? --

KJV Bible - Crown Copyright in UK [was: Bug#338077: ITP: sword-text-kvj -- King James Version with Strongs Numbers and Morphology]

2005-11-08 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 06:16:52PM +0100, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: ( Please mail followups to: [EMAIL PROTECTED], debian-legal@lists.debian.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 10:13:42AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Quoting Lionel Elie Mamane

Re: KJV Bible - Crown Copyright in UK [was: Bug#338077: ITP: sword-text-kvj -- King James Version with Strongs Numbers and Morphology]

2005-11-08 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 06:03:45PM +, W. Borgert wrote: On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 06:16:52PM +0100, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: This makes the KJV of the bible non-free in GB and probably even illegal to distribute at all in GB, unless the Crown gives a blanket license for electronic

Re: KJV Bible - Crown Copyright in UK [was: Bug#338077: ITP: sword-text-kvj -- King James Version with Strongs Numbers and Morphology]

2005-11-08 Thread W. Borgert
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 06:16:52PM +0100, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: This makes the KJV of the bible non-free in GB and probably even illegal to distribute at all in GB, unless the Crown gives a blanket license for electronic distribution. Does it? ... Please investigate this before uploading

Re: KJV Bible - Crown Copyright in UK

2005-11-08 Thread Florian Weimer
* Lionel Elie Mamane: Please investigate this before uploading to Debian. Or alternatively, depend on the bible-kjv-text package, which already is in main. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Custom license question (Glk libraries)

2005-11-08 Thread Niko Tyni
On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 03:18:00PM -0500, Joe Smith wrote: [1] http://www.eblong.com/zarf/glk/ Ah. Zarf. Quite a fascinating fellow. :) Right :) The source code in this package is copyright 1998-9 by Andrew Plotkin. You may copy and distribute it freely, by any means and under any

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread Evan Prodromou
On Tue, 2005-08-11 at 11:57 -0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you people in debian-legal think about people who distribute ISO images on their websites but no ISO with sources nor a written promise? Should we consider there is an implicit offer and just ask for the sources? What does

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread Olive
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 11:57:05AM -0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you people in debian-legal think about people who distribute ISO images on their websites but no ISO with sources nor a written promise? Should we consider there is an implicit offer and just

Re: KJV Bible - Crown Copyright in UK

2005-11-08 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 07:52:26PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: * Lionel Elie Mamane: Please investigate this before uploading to Debian. Or alternatively, depend on the bible-kjv-text package, which already is in main. I'd rather we had a good investigation on this, that would be valid

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread cascardo
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 02:38:50PM -0500, Evan Prodromou wrote: On Tue, 2005-08-11 at 11:57 -0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you people in debian-legal think about people who distribute ISO images on their websites but no ISO with sources nor a written promise? Should we consider

Re: KJV Bible - Crown Copyright in UK [was: Bug#338077: ITP: sword-text-kvj -- King James Version with Strongs Numbers and Morphology]

2005-11-08 Thread W. Borgert
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 07:23:28PM +0100, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 06:03:45PM +, W. Borgert wrote: According to Christian belief, the bible is the word of God. According to Nietzsche (in 1882), God is dead. So the author of the bible is dead since at least 120

Re: KJV Bible - Crown Copyright in UK

2005-11-08 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 07:52:26PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: * Lionel Elie Mamane: Please investigate this before uploading to Debian. Or alternatively, depend on the bible-kjv-text package, which already is in main. The text included in bible-kjv-text is not SWORD-compatible. I

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread cascardo
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 08:39:39PM +0100, Olive wrote: That's why you should offer an *equivalent* access to the sources in the *same* place. Any disagreements and comments are welcome. Remember I have the opinion that it is reasonable if you put the sources under a different place but with

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread Lewis Jardine
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember I have the opinion that it is reasonable if you put the sources under a different place but with equivalent access (similar bandwidth and availability and such) or under some different protocols or formats as long as they are pretty standard and there are

Sourcecode with multiple licenses

2005-11-08 Thread Paul van Tilburg
Hi all, I am package libfacets-ruby[1] for the Debian/Ruby Extras maintainers team. This package bundles of hundreds of small libraries useful as an extra for Ruby's standard library. The authors have all agreed to the bundling, however not everything is under the Ruby license yet, but they are

Re: Sourcecode with multiple licenses

2005-11-08 Thread Justin Pryzby
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 10:48:55PM +0100, Paul van Tilburg wrote: Hi all, I am package libfacets-ruby[1] for the Debian/Ruby Extras maintainers team. This package bundles of hundreds of small libraries useful as an extra for Ruby's standard library. The authors have all agreed to the

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 11:03:56AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you people in debian-legal think about people who distribute ISO images on their websites but no ISO with sources nor a written promise? Should we consider there is an implicit offer and just ask

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread cascardo
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 07:56:31PM +, Lewis Jardine wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember I have the opinion that it is reasonable if you put the sources under a different place but with equivalent access (similar bandwidth and availability and such) or under some different protocols

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread Lewis Jardine
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my opinion, distributing in a medium customarily used for software interchange and offering access to copy from a designated place are not the same thing. Mainly because you cannot be sure the source code is properly distributed. You should make sure the person has

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread cascardo
On Wed, Nov 09, 2005 at 12:13:08AM +, Lewis Jardine wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my opinion, distributing in a medium customarily used for software interchange and offering access to copy from a designated place are not the same thing. Mainly because you cannot be sure the source

Re: Ubuntu CDs contain no sources

2005-11-08 Thread Evan Prodromou
On Tue, 2005-08-11 at 11:03 -0500, Joey Hess wrote: (Just IMHO, but I think reasonable people would agree.) Isn't that the definition of your opinion? ~ESP -- Evan Prodromou [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Debian Project (http://www.debian.org/)

Re: KJV Bible - Crown Copyright in UK [was: Bug#338077: ITP: sword-text-kvj -- King James Version with Strongs Numbers and Morphology]

2005-11-08 Thread Andrew Donnellan
Does the crown copyright on the KJV affect other Commonwealth countries e.g. Australia? Down here we have a Crown copyright law and that covers *some* government material, including electoral information, the NSW Higher School Certificate and a lot of other things. Would British Crown Copyright