Re: Moglen's all good faith

2006-01-20 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 1/20/06, Mahesh T. Pai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] 3. FSF's ownership of parts of the kernel means FSF is one of the copyright holders in the collective work called the linux kernel. You apparently don't know what the copyright in a collective work is and most likely you were

Re: Moglen's all good faith

2006-01-20 Thread Mahesh T. Pai
Alexander Terekhov said on Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 11:10:54AM +0100,: My dossier is rapidly growing. Next time you see Moglen tell him that in the current tempo (driven by the GPLv3) my dossier on his unprofessional conduct (hopefully leading to the disbarment or other disciplinary action)

Re: Moglen's all good faith

2006-01-20 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 1/20/06, Mahesh T. Pai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexander Terekhov said on Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 11:10:54AM +0100,: My dossier is rapidly growing. Next time you see Moglen tell him that in the current tempo (driven by the GPLv3) my dossier on his unprofessional conduct (hopefully

Re: Moglen's all good faith

2006-01-20 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 1/20/06, Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 1/20/06, Måns Rullgård [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Moglen: In all good faith, I can't tell you. If the kernel were pure GPL in its license terms, the answer...would be: You couldn't

Re: Ironies abound

2006-01-20 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Josh Triplett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To the best of my knowledge, TeX is explicitly in the public domain, But the only source we have for that seems to be the article by Knuth that you cite (I have also searched the web without getting anywhere else): Some searching around led to an

Re: Ironies abound

2006-01-20 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] Later in the file, it is written: , | If this program is changed, the resulting system should not be called | `\TeX'; the official name `\TeX' by itself is reserved | for software systems that are fully compatible with each other. | A special

Re: Anti-DMCA clause (was Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-20 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Walter Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hrrm. We need a different clause then. No program licensed under this License, which accesses a work, shall require the authority of the copyright owner for that work, in order to gain access to that work.

Re: Anti-DMCA clause (was Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-20 Thread Nathanael Nerode
I wrote: Accordingly, no program licensed under this License is a technological measure which effectively controls access to any work. Walter Landry wrote: Again, writing this sentence into the license doesn't make it true. Well, no, but I think it is in fact true. It is decided by external

Re: Anti-DMCA clause (was Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-20 Thread Walter Landry
Andrew Donnellan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/20/06, Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There seems to be some rift between the law and reality, though. If the law is taken literally, it's a no-op: it forbids writing software that can't be written (if you write software for an

Re: Question on GPL compliance

2006-01-20 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Daniel Carrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] [060119 17:15]: Suppose I have an online store that sells CDs of GPL software. People buy the CD and we ship it to them. One obvious way to comply with the GPL is to always send a second CD with the sources. Now, here's another idea. Suppose that when the

Moglen on kernel firmware blobs

2006-01-20 Thread Marco d'Itri
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-6028746-2.html?tag=st.next Moglen: I would distinguish the blobs from the proprietary drivers in the kernel. If the kernel's terms were unambiguously GPL, which they are apparently not, (proprietary drivers) would be forbidden. The blobs--though they are

Re: Moglen on kernel firmware blobs

2006-01-20 Thread Måns Rullgård
Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-6028746-2.html?tag=st.next Moglen: I would distinguish the blobs from the proprietary drivers in the kernel. If the kernel's terms were unambiguously GPL, which they are apparently not, (proprietary drivers) would be

Re: GR: GFDL Position Statement

2006-01-20 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:20:53 -0800 Josh Triplett wrote: Andrew Donnellan wrote: Umm, Kpovmodeler isn't a renderer, it's a modelling program that calls POVRay to actually render it. So KPovModeler should be in contrib. Hmmm. The description certainly didn't give that indication, nor did

Re: Moglen on kernel firmware blobs

2006-01-20 Thread Bill Allombert
On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 12:18:06AM +, M?ns Rullg?rd wrote: Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-6028746-2.html?tag=st.next Moglen: I would distinguish the blobs from the proprietary drivers in the kernel. If the kernel's terms were

Re: Anti-DMCA clause (was Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-20 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 09:49:09AM -0800, Walter Landry wrote: I think that effective does not mean perfect. Having a police force is an effective way of combatting crime, but it is far from perfect. A security mechanism which has been defeated by a piece of software is not imperfect. If I

Re: Ironies abound

2006-01-20 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Frank Küster wrote: Do you have links or references for this trademark thingie? I read it so many times that I tend to believe it's true, but never found and conclusive evidence... Well, the definitely filed for it. Go to http://www.uspto.gov/main/trademarks.htm, click on SEARCH trademarks,

Re: Anti-DMCA clause (was Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-20 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A security mechanism which has been defeated by a piece of software is not imperfect. If I post my root password to this list, it is not an imperfect but still effective security mechanism; it is useless and defeated. But, as you note below, that's

Re: Anti-DMCA clause (was Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-20 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 10:30:29PM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: If you want to be charitable, you might say that effective here is being used in the sense of effectively, it's a security mechanism. But whether you want to be charitable or not, it's clearly not being used in a way that requires

Re: GR: GFDL Position Statement

2006-01-20 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 00:31 +0100, Francesco Poli wrote: I hope some volunteers to install it and check, so that a serious bug can be filed against kpovmodeler, if necessary... Since I used to play with povray before becoming involved with debian. I've just installed kpovmodeler 3.5.0-3, and

Re: GR: GFDL Position Statement

2006-01-20 Thread Andrew Donnellan
I think that KPovModeler was developed with the intention that you have POV-Ray installed. It will work fine without it, but it can only save KPMs and POV files, and at the moment there is no other software that can read it. andrew On 1/21/06, Paul Wise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat,

Re: Ironies abound

2006-01-20 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 1/21/06, Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank Küster wrote: Do you have links or references for this trademark thingie? I read it so many times that I tend to believe it's true, but never found and conclusive evidence... Well, the definitely filed for it. Go to