Is this licence debian-free or normal-free?

2006-01-29 Thread Carsten Niehaus
Hi I would like to use (part of) this code in a KDE-application. The licence-terms are in the file. http://www.le.ac.uk/eg/spg3/lattice/Matrix3D.java The important part is * Sun grants you (Licensee) a non-exclusive, royalty free, license to use, * modify and redistribute this software in

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-29 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Raul Miller wrote: Beyond that: if Adobe files in a CA court, even without this clause a person is still going to have to deal with that situation somehow. And if the action is specious, the person can simply dispute that the license is relevant to the action. The

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-29 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Jan 28, 2006 at 04:01:30PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: On 28 Jan 2006 11:32:08 -0500, Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I submit that, under this logic, fees to execute software or create derivative works are free since they are not mentioned anyhere in the DFSG. The usual

Re: Is this licence debian-free or normal-free?

2006-01-29 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Carsten Niehaus wrote: The important part is * Sun grants you (Licensee) a non-exclusive, royalty free, license to use, * modify and redistribute this software in source and binary code form, * provided that i) this copyright notice and license appear on all copies

Re: Please review: The OFL (Open Font License)

2006-01-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Won't this forbid anyone (but the original copyright holder) to fix bugs or misfeatures in the font? Not if they choose a different name. For a font bug-for-bug compatibility may be very important to preserve correct rendering of docuements. -- ciao, Marco -- To

Re: Moglen's all good faith

2006-01-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Development of proprietary kernel modules is tolerated, see EXPORT_SYMBOL vs. EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL. AFAICS, this special exception to the GPL has never been formalized, but at least overe here the mere While proprietary kernel modules are tolerated, there is no special

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, as you can see there is basically one problematic clause for inclusion in Debian, and a few other minor issues that should probably be resolved before font authors start using this license. Are you sure the naming clause is really that problematic for

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you're trying to prevent is clear, it's just not necessary to use a license to do this. Consider the following: Debian decides to distribute works containing your font. The original upstream disappears. A bug is discovered in the font, and Debian needs to fix it. We

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here we have the most perfect example imaginable of a license being offered by a copyright holder with a known and public history of hostility towards information freedom, and people still don't acknowledge that there's a risk here. It's flabbergasting! The point is not

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-29 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:18:32 +1100 Andrew Donnellan wrote: I think DFSG#5 was written not because of this, but because of licenses that exclude some uses of the software, e.g. nuclear weapons factories, animal torture and things that people dislike. That is DFSG#6, not #5. -- :-( This

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-29 Thread Raul Miller
On 1/29/06, Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The difference is that without this clause, the first step is to claim that the court in question does not have jurisdiction over the parties.[1] With this clause, before you can get the court to agree that California is an improper venue, you

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-29 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Marco d'Itri wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debian decides to distribute works containing your font. The original upstream disappears. A bug is discovered in the font, and Debian needs to fix it. Yes, and this is considered a feature. Usually existing documents

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-29 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Raul Miller wrote: On 1/29/06, Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The difference is that without this clause, the first step is to claim that the court in question does not have jurisdiction over the parties.[1] With this clause, before you can get the court to

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-29 Thread Mark Rafn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debian decides to distribute works containing your font. The original upstream disappears. A bug is discovered in the font, and Debian needs to fix it. On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Marco d'Itri wrote: Yes, and this is considered a feature. Usually existing documents should

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-29 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sun, Jan 29, 2006 at 04:04:44PM -0800, Mark Rafn wrote: It seems a clear test: if I can't distribute a changed version that can be dropped into a system without changing other software, it ain't free. I'd take this just a little further, in that the user shouldn't have to change his

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-29 Thread Walter Landry
Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 01:18:55AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: To be more specific, we generally consider choice-of-venue non-free when it applies to suits brought by the copyright holder (/licensor) against other people. It's

Re: Moglen's all good faith

2006-01-29 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 1/29/06, Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Development of proprietary kernel modules is tolerated, see EXPORT_SYMBOL vs. EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL. AFAICS, this special exception to the GPL has never been formalized, but at least overe here the mere While proprietary

Re: Moglen's all good faith

2006-01-29 Thread Alexander Terekhov
One more nail in EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL coffin... On 1/30/06, Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/29/06, Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Development of proprietary kernel modules is tolerated, see EXPORT_SYMBOL vs. EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL. AFAICS, this