Re: License for ATI driver documentation

2006-01-30 Thread Walter Landry
Daniel Leidert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I hope you can help with some ideas and also clear a few of my questions. I'm not a lawyer, so I hope, you can give a few hints. I'm writing manpages for the proprietary ATI driver, which are included in the Debian package. You can find the

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-30 Thread Frank Küster
Mark Rafn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debian decides to distribute works containing your font. The original upstream disappears. A bug is discovered in the font, and Debian needs to fix it. On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Marco d'Itri wrote: Yes, and this is considered a

Re: Please review: The OFL (Open Font License)

2006-01-30 Thread Gervase Markham
Marco d'Itri wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Won't this forbid anyone (but the original copyright holder) to fix bugs or misfeatures in the font? Not if they choose a different name. For a font bug-for-bug compatibility may be very important to preserve correct rendering of docuements.

Re: Please review: The OFL (Open Font License)

2006-01-30 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 30, Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not if they choose a different name. For a font bug-for-bug compatibility may be very important to preserve correct rendering of docuements. You do, of course, mean preserve _incorrect_ rendering of documents ;-) Yes. -- ciao, Marco

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-30 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Frank Küster wrote: On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Don Armstrong wrote: The same argument applies equally well to programs. We should be intelligent enough in our fixing of bugs in fonts not to break existing documents, That's plain impossible. A bug in a font could be a wrong

Re: Please review: The OFL (Open Font License)

2006-01-30 Thread Frank Küster
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) wrote: On Jan 30, Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not if they choose a different name. For a font bug-for-bug compatibility may be very important to preserve correct rendering of docuements. You do, of course, mean preserve _incorrect_ rendering

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-30 Thread Frank Küster
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This exact argument can be made to apply to programs. We as distributors (or our users as users) should be able to make the determination whether it's appropriate to break compatibility to fix the bug, or keep compatibility and live with the bug. A

Re: License for ATI driver documentation

2006-01-30 Thread Daniel Leidert
Am Montag, den 30.01.2006, 00:42 -0800 schrieb Walter Landry: Daniel Leidert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope you can help with some ideas and also clear a few of my questions. I'm not a lawyer, so I hope, you can give a few hints. I'm writing manpages for the proprietary ATI driver,

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-30 Thread Raul Miller
On 1/29/06, Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Raul Miller wrote: You can still claim that the court in question does not have jurisdiction over the parties. You can claim that the moon is cheese too, if you want.[1] The point is that in order for the court to

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-30 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:17:47 -0800 (PST) Walter Landry wrote: Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Here's the attribution version: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/scotland/legalcode 6.5 This Licence is governed by the law of Scotland and the parties accept the

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-30 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 02:25:34 -0800 Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Frank Küster wrote: [...] if you've got a font that is in wide use and regarded as stable, changing the kerning is a design decision and should in fact change the name under which the font is available to the user

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-30 Thread Mark Rafn
Mark Rafn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This discussion seems to have gone into the weeds about WHY someone would want to make a change and whether Debian is able to make such changes reasonably. On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Frank Küster wrote: Well, only in part. A font that you can't rely on is mostly

Re: GR proposal: GFDL with no Invariant Sections is free

2006-01-30 Thread Nathanael Nerode
olive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personnaly think that Debian would do better to defend free software if there were in accordance to the FSF. I personally think that the FSF would do much, much better at defending free software if they operated in accordance with Debian. Debian-legal has

Re: License for ATI driver documentation

2006-01-30 Thread Walter Landry
Daniel Leidert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Montag, den 30.01.2006, 00:42 -0800 schrieb Walter Landry: Daniel Leidert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, the end of the file says (c) Copyright 2002,2003 by ATI Technologies Inc. All rights reserved which means that you can't use the

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-30 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Jan 30, 2006 at 04:39:33PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: If it's not a copyleft: * the Scotland-venue clause in the original license only applies to claims against the original licensor of the original software * the French forker uses a license without that clause for his own

Re: GR proposal: GFDL with no Invariant Sections is free

2006-01-30 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:34:25 -0500 Nathanael Nerode wrote: olive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personnaly think that Debian would do better to defend free software if there were in accordance to the FSF. I personally think that the FSF would do much, much better at defending free

Re: GR proposal: GFDL with no Invariant Sections is free

2006-01-30 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 1/31/06, Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: olive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personnaly think that Debian would do better to defend free software if there were in accordance to the FSF. I personally think that the FSF would do much, much better at defending free software if they

Re: GR proposal: GFDL with no Invariant Sections is free

2006-01-30 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 12:52:00PM +1100, Andrew Donnellan wrote: On 1/31/06, Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: olive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personnaly think that Debian would do better to defend free software if there were in accordance to the FSF. I personally think that