Re: EU antitrust is also cool (was: A new practical problem...)

2006-02-15 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 2/14/06, Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: What is your educated opinion regarding the GPL being in trouble re http://europa.eu.int/comm/competition/legislation/treaties/ec/art81_en.html? First of all, the GPL clearly qualifies for the

Re: PHP License for PHP Group packages

2006-02-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 07:03:17AM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 03:33:42AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE PHP DEVELOPMENT TEAM ``AS IS'' AND is also wrong for anything which is not from the PHP Team. Agreed; this license is still not

Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-15 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, it's possible, the section just ends up as unreadable garbage. Nothing in the GFDL requires that the invariant sections be readable. So, under GFDL, I'm allowed to compress the invariant sections with an algorithm that is not uncompressable on the

Re: EU antitrust is also cool (was: A new practical problem...)

2006-02-15 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 2/14/06, Yorick Cool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Assuming you mean the FSF and/or GNU project, with whom are they entering onto agreement? Mmmmh? I mean the GPL license. Also, please have a look at 81 § 3. I did it. Now you please take a look at

Re: EU antitrust is also cool (was: A new practical problem...)

2006-02-15 Thread Ville Oksanen
clip Dr. Mikko Välimäki has a quite nice article on the topic: Mikko Välimäki: Copyleft Licensing and EC Competition Law, forthcoming in European Competition Law Review 3/2006 http://www.valimaki.com/org/open_source_competition.pdf Greets, Ville Oksanen Researcher, Helsinki University of

A tool for checking licenses

2006-02-15 Thread Ville Oksanen
Hi, I hope that this might be something useful for the people here. We (as in HUT/SoberIT/COSS)are currently developing a tool for checking the license information inside FOSS-packages. The idea is to make it simple to get a quick understanding what kind licenses are used. In addition, the

Re: EU antitrust is also cool (was: A new practical problem...)

2006-02-15 Thread Yorick Cool
On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 11:28:22AM +0100, Alexander Terekhov wrote: On 2/14/06, Yorick Cool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Assuming you mean the FSF and/or GNU project, with whom are they entering onto agreement? Mmmmh? I mean the GPL license. The GPL is a text, not an undertaking you

Re: EU antitrust is also cool (was: A new practical problem...)

2006-02-15 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 2/15/06, Yorick Cool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 11:28:22AM +0100, Alexander Terekhov wrote: On 2/14/06, Yorick Cool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Assuming you mean the FSF and/or GNU project, with whom are they entering onto agreement? Mmmmh? I mean the GPL

Re: GPLv3 Drafting Process

2006-02-15 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 2/14/06, Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I suppose that fontana belongs to Moglen's underling at SFLC Richard Fontana. An interesting article about Eben Moglen: http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1139911511108 Meet the DotCommunist regards, alexander.

Re: EU antitrust is also cool (was: A new practical problem...)

2006-02-15 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 2/15/06, Ville Oksanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: clip Dr. Mikko Välimäki has a quite nice article on the topic: Mikko Välimäki: Copyleft Licensing and EC Competition Law, forthcoming in European Competition Law Review 3/2006 http://www.valimaki.com/org/open_source_competition.pdf

Re: EU antitrust is also cool (was: A new practical problem...)

2006-02-15 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 2/15/06, Ville Oksanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: clip Dr. Mikko Välimäki has a quite nice article on the topic: Mikko Välimäki: Copyleft Licensing and EC Competition Law, forthcoming in European Competition Law Review 3/2006 http://www.valimaki.com/org/open_source_competition.pdf Thanks.

Re: EU antitrust is also cool (was: A new practical problem...)

2006-02-15 Thread olive
Alexander Terekhov wrote: On 2/14/06, Yorick Cool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] First off, hello. Hello Yorick. What is your educated opinion regarding the GPL being in trouble re http://europa.eu.int/comm/competition/legislation/treaties/ec/art81_en.html? Germany (which part of the EU)

Re: EU antitrust is also cool (was: A new practical problem...)

2006-02-15 Thread Yorick Cool
On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 03:23:33PM +0100, Alexander Terekhov wrote: On 2/15/06, Yorick Cool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 11:28:22AM +0100, Alexander Terekhov wrote: On 2/14/06, Yorick Cool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Assuming you mean the FSF and/or GNU project,

Re: EU antitrust is also cool

2006-02-15 Thread Frank Küster
olive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexander Terekhov wrote: On 2/14/06, Yorick Cool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] First off, hello. Hello Yorick. What is your educated opinion regarding the GPL being in trouble re http://europa.eu.int/comm/competition/legislation/treaties/ec/art81_en.html?

Re: EU antitrust is also cool

2006-02-15 Thread Yorick Cool
On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 05:36:55PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: olive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexander Terekhov wrote: On 2/14/06, Yorick Cool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] First off, hello. Hello Yorick. What is your educated opinion regarding the GPL being in trouble re

Re: EU antitrust is also cool

2006-02-15 Thread olive
Frank Küster wrote: olive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexander Terekhov wrote: On 2/14/06, Yorick Cool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] First off, hello. Hello Yorick. What is your educated opinion regarding the GPL being in trouble re

Re: EU antitrust is also cool

2006-02-15 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 2/15/06, Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: olive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexander Terekhov wrote: On 2/14/06, Yorick Cool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] First off, hello. Hello Yorick. What is your educated opinion regarding the GPL being in trouble re

Re: EU antitrust is also cool

2006-02-15 Thread olive
Germany hasn't done anything, at least nothing is described in this article. A particular german court has spoken. Yes a court has spoken and has made an injonction to follow the GPL. German courts follow German law... Germany cannot declare the GPL in any other way. Olive -- To

Re: EU antitrust is also cool

2006-02-15 Thread olive
More serious and higher ranked folks have also spoken. Like Appellate Judge (and etc.) Hoeren. http://www.oii.ox.ac.uk/resources/feedback/OIIFB_GPL3_20040903.pdf I am not a lawyer and I cannot comment on every objection. But there are arguments that obviously seeems flawed and I am very

Re: Affero General Public License

2006-02-15 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
quote who=Jeremy Hankins date=Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 01:52:53PM -0500 Benj. Mako Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: quote who=Jeremy Hankins date=Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 10:34:48PM -0500 But the question of whether this is a use restriction or a modification restriction is an interesting one. I

Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-15 Thread Adam McKenna
On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 11:42:03PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote: I think convenience is something to be considered in determining whether something is free or not; a hint, nothing more, but not irrelevant either. It's something that can be sacrificed, to a certain degree: the GPL is pretty

Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-15 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 10:30:16AM -0800, Adam McKenna wrote: On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 11:42:03PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote: I think convenience is something to be considered in determining whether something is free or not; a hint, nothing more, but not irrelevant either. It's something

Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-15 Thread Adam McKenna
On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 03:18:43PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 10:30:16AM -0800, Adam McKenna wrote: On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 11:42:03PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote: I think convenience is something to be considered in determining whether something is free or not; a

Re: Affero General Public License

2006-02-15 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Benj. Mako Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: quote who=Jeremy Hankins date=Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 01:52:53PM -0500 Benj. Mako Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: quote who=Jeremy Hankins date=Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 10:34:48PM -0500 But the question of whether this is a use restriction or a

Re: EU antitrust is also cool (was: A new practical problem...)

2006-02-15 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 2/15/06, Yorick Cool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Are you really educated in (some) law? Check for yourself. http://www.fundp.ac.be/universite/personnes/page_view/01005395/ Sorry it's in french (the website has just been revamped), but I guess you'll get the gist of it. A hint:

Re: EU antitrust is also cool

2006-02-15 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 2/15/06, olive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] It is reproached that a German court apply German law (?!?). A Germanian bring a lawsuit in Germany for infrigment of a license he have choosen. It is obvious that German laws will apply. It's far from obvious unless the license specifies that

Re: PHP License for PHP Group packages

2006-02-15 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:19:10 -0800 Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 07:03:17AM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 03:33:42AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE PHP DEVELOPMENT TEAM ``AS IS'' AND is also wrong for anything which

Re: PHP License for PHP Group packages

2006-02-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Feb 16, 2006 at 12:06:29AM +0100, Francesco Poli wrote: On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:19:10 -0800 Steve Langasek wrote: Moreover, while revising the license, I rediscovered another problem that has been neglected in recent discussions: | 3. The name PHP must not be used to endorse or

Re: PHP License for PHP Group packages

2006-02-15 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 05:16:54PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: | 3. The name PHP must not be used to endorse or promote products | derived from this software without prior written permission. For | written permission, please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] The usual no-endorsement clause that

Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-15 Thread olive
Glenn Maynard wrote: On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 04:13:59PM +0400, olive wrote: To answer, Patrick remark; a search in this list will show you that I have considerably discussed and defended my opinion even if I do not agree with most of the posters. You have? You elided the bulk of Don's

Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-15 Thread Patrick Herzig
On 16/02/06, olive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I have already said in a previous message let's say we disagree. Any opinion in contradiction with yours will be poorly defended. Let's not. Let's say that you are wrong, or at least, that your assertions are poorly defended. You're trying to