Re: RE : Re: Linux Magazin Germany, affecting Debian's image?!

2006-07-17 Thread Frank Küster
Radu-Cristian FOTESCU [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Joerg Jaspert [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : That was done by me for Cebit, like we did for some other years already. Well, it seems to lack the proper labeling then. -legal is the wrong list for this, there is no legal issue behind that.

RE : Re: RE : Re: Linux Magazin Germany, affecting Debian's image?!

2006-07-17 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
--- Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : But it says Debian sarge special, As you can see the facts from the web page: http://www.linux-magazin.de/Produkte/Bestellen/lm_04_06_dvd.html things can be terribly misleading: 1. You can see DVD-ausgabe mit Debian Sarge. There is *no* Spezial or

Re: Linux Magazin Germany, affecting Debian's image?!

2006-07-17 Thread MJ Ray
Radu-Cristian FOTESCU [EMAIL PROTECTED] As you can see the facts from the web page: http://www.linux-magazin.de/Produkte/Bestellen/lm_04_06_dvd.html things can be terribly misleading: 1. You can see DVD-ausgabe mit Debian Sarge. There is *no* Spezial or Unofficial wording on the cover of

Re: RE : Re: RE : Re: Linux Magazin Germany, affecting Debian's image?!

2006-07-17 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Radu-Cristian FOTESCU [EMAIL PROTECTED] But for the people who *erroneously* believed it's an official release (something like 3.1r3 or something), they could have asked for a free download to be available. That is still false. People's erroneous beliefs do not entitle them to

Re: Copyright grants for fonts?

2006-07-17 Thread Robinson Tryon
On 7/10/06, Robinson Tryon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still haven't found a license from Adobe for the Times font, so I will contact the upstream xfree86 maintainers and go from there. I'll post a followup once I have more information. For anyone interested... The licensing for the Adobe

Re: RE : Re: RE : Re: Linux Magazin Germany, affecting Debian's image?!

2006-07-17 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
That is still false. People's erroneous beliefs do not entitle them to anything. This is not about entitlement. This is about Debian's failure to react to a misuse of its trademarks. I can see on the DVD cover: Debian Sarge. This is all you can see on both the cover and the DVD. I'm going them

Re: RE : Re: RE : Re: Linux Magazin Germany, affecting Debian's image?!

2006-07-17 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Radu-Cristian FOTESCU [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is not about entitlement. This is about Debian's failure to react to a misuse of its trademarks. You are the only one who thinks that a trademark is being misused. You are wrong. Not finding any download location, all I can imagine is

Re: RE : Re: Linux Magazin Germany, affecting Debian's image?!

2006-07-17 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 12:20:59AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: On 10717 March 1977, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: 2. It clearly contains packages not on the official update list. AFAIK, backports like FF1.5 and X.org are not _official_ for Sarge. Yes, where is the problem? Before I go on

Re: Linux Magazin Germany, affecting Debian's image?!

2006-07-17 Thread Alexander Schmehl
Hi again! * Radu-Cristian FOTESCU [EMAIL PROTECTED] [060717 18:51]: That is still false. People's erroneous beliefs do not entitle them to anything. This is not about entitlement. This is about Debian's failure to react to a misuse of its trademarks. Please, it is not a misuse of our

Re: RE : Re: Linux Magazin Germany, affecting Debian's image?!

2006-07-17 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10718 March 1977, Steve Langasek wrote: Yes, they attached it to the Magazine. And gave us a good number of dvds for free. When posting on such questions using your debian.org email address, please try to be clear about what us you're referring to. I have never heard that LinuxMagazin

Re: RE : Re: RE : Re: Linux Magazin Germany, affecting Debian's image?!

2006-07-17 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 19:54 +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: You are the only one who thinks that a trademark is being misused. You are wrong. You are not in court. Neither of us has the right to declare the other is wrong. I am *not* the only one -- I am only one with such a blunt language.

Re: Linux Magazin Germany, affecting Debian's image?!

2006-07-17 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 22:05 +0200, Alexander Schmehl wrote: *We*, Debian Developers, contacted *them* and asked them to sponsor this DVD. 1. As long as it's not their project, is it really unofficial, as it's made bu DDs? 2. Being it unofficial as it's said to be, as long as it holds Debian in

Re: RE : Re: RE : Re: Linux Magazin Germany, affecting Debian's image?!

2006-07-17 Thread Andreas Barth
* Radu-Cristian FOTESCU ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060717 10:26]: --- Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : No, it isn't labelled sarge. As I can see from the _pictures_ (magazine cover + DVD), it's labeled Debian Sarge very prominently. Well, the print on the cover is not optimal, but I'm

Re: RE : Re: RE : Re: Linux Magazin Germany, affecting Debian's image?!

2006-07-17 Thread Andreas Barth
* Radu-Cristian FOTESCU ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060717 19:04]: That is still false. People's erroneous beliefs do not entitle them to anything. This is not about entitlement. This is about Debian's failure to react to a misuse of its trademarks. This rather sounds like a trollish remark to

Re: Linux Magazin Germany, affecting Debian's image?!

2006-07-17 Thread Alexander Schmehl
Hi! * Radu-Cristian FOTESCU [EMAIL PROTECTED] [060717 23:27]: Because I suppose that if I made up my own modified Debian and I'm sticking it to a magazine and label it Debian Sarge, enhanced, I could be sued for that. I SHOULD BE SUED FOR THAT. If we promise to sue you, if you do such a

Re: RE : Re: RE : Re: Linux Magazin Germany, affecting Debian's image?!

2006-07-17 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Radu-Cristian FOTESCU [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 19:54 +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: You are the only one who thinks that a trademark is being misused. You are wrong. You are not in court. Neither of us has the right to declare the other is wrong. You can be wrong

Re: Linux Magazin Germany, affecting Debian's image?!

2006-07-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 12:32:43AM +0300, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: 2. Being it unofficial as it's said to be, as long as it holds Debian in the label, could you explain *WHY* the following wording from http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/ does *not* apply? Debian GNU/Linux is distributed

Re: [RESOLVED] Re: Apache license 1.1 for non-Apache software

2006-07-17 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 03:04:30 +0200 Gregory Colpart wrote: On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 11:47:39PM +0200, Gregory Colpart wrote: I want to package Forwards (see my ITP [1]), a non-Apache software under Apache License 1.1 [2]). Upstreams change license to BSD-like to be sure to have DFSG

Re: RE : Re: RE : Re: Linux Magazin Germany, affecting Debian's image?!

2006-07-17 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 11:48:05PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: Because I suppose that if I made up my own modified Debian and I'm sticking it to a magazine and label it Debian Sarge, enhanced, I could be sued for that. You can always be sued, but if you could _lose_ the suit, it would

Re: Linux Magazin Germany, affecting Debian's image?!

2006-07-17 Thread Hubert Chan
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:04:18 -0700, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: If there WERE anything that said that modified versions of Debian must be avavilable for free download, it would mean that something is seriously, horribly, wrong. It would be a non-free requirement. You mean like the