The GPL and soundfonts

2007-06-02 Thread Andrew Sidwell
I have a question somewhat related to something mentioned here a short while ago. If someone releases a song in MIDI form under the GPLv2, and I use non-GPL'd tools (e.g. a shareware licence) and royalty-free instrumental samples to produce a high-quality WAV version of the original MIDI, can I

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-02 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 10:54:36AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: and to the best of my knowledge, works licensed solely under the CDDL have never been accepted in main.[1] star | 1.5a57-1 | oldstable | source, alpha, arm, [...] star | 1.5a67-1 | stable | source, alpha, amd64, [...]

Re: The GPL and soundfonts

2007-06-02 Thread Michael Pobega
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 12:40:25PM +0100, Andrew Sidwell wrote: If someone releases a song in MIDI form under the GPLv2, and I use non-GPL'd tools (e.g. a shareware licence) and royalty-free instrumental samples to produce a high-quality WAV

Re: The GPL and soundfonts

2007-06-02 Thread Andrew Sidwell
Michael Pobega wrote: On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 12:40:25PM +0100, Andrew Sidwell wrote: If someone releases a song in MIDI form under the GPLv2, and I use non-GPL'd tools (e.g. a shareware licence) and royalty-free instrumental samples to produce a high-quality WAV version of the original MIDI,

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-02 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 21:50:15 +1000 Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 10:54:36AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: and to the best of my knowledge, works licensed solely under the CDDL have never been accepted in main.[1] star | 1.5a57-1 | oldstable | source, alpha, arm, [...] star |

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-02 Thread Anthony Towns
debian-devel re-added. On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 03:40:36PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 21:50:15 +1000 Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 10:54:36AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: and to the best of my knowledge, works licensed solely under the CDDL have never

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-02 Thread Michael Poole
Anthony Towns writes: debian-devel re-added. On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 03:40:36PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 21:50:15 +1000 Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 10:54:36AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: and to the best of my knowledge, works licensed solely under

[long] Last call draft of GPL v3

2007-06-02 Thread Francesco Poli
Hi all, a new Last Call Draft of the GNU GPL v3 has been published on 31 May 2007 by the FSF. The full text of this fourth draft can be read at http://gplv3.fsf.org/comments/gplv3-draft-4.html My comments on the draft follow. I will send them to the FSF public consultation system RSN (since they

Re: The GPL and soundfonts

2007-06-02 Thread Terry Hancock
Andrew Sidwell wrote: I'm sorry, I didn't make myself clear. That last paragraph was meant to indicate WAV files which were derived from MIDI files via use of non-free soundfonts, not the original MIDI file itself. The DFSG would require that the soundfont license be DFSG free in order for

Re: Computer with Debian preinstalled

2007-06-02 Thread Michael Bode
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We can't really give you legal advice, but if I were you, I'd include with the computer media containing the binary packages that you've installed along with the corresponding source code. Ok, I will probably include a CD with the sources, because this

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-02 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 02, Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A blatant appeal to authority in place of facts or analysis isn't particularly useful information, and is even less so when arguments for the contrary position have been made but not answered. s/arguments/opinions/ -- ciao, Marco

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-02 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007, Anthony Towns wrote: debian-devel re-added. On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 03:40:36PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 21:50:15 +1000 Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 10:54:36AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: and to the best of my knowledge, works

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-02 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070602 19:14]: It's not like there aren't DDs who feel that it isn't DFSG free; Steve Langasek and myself have consistently argued against it, and I doubt we're the only two. Count me in. I don't feel comfortable with choose-of-venue at all.

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-02 Thread Don Armstrong
reopen 350624 thanks On Sat, 02 Jun 2007, Don Armstrong wrote: That said, can the ftpmaster who approved the inclusion of star in main speak up and give their rationale? Actually, I must take this back; it's almost certain that ftpmaster did not approve this, because the work when originally

Re: [long] Last call draft of GPL v3

2007-06-02 Thread Joe Smith
Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, a new Last Call Draft of the GNU GPL v3 has been published on 31 May 2007 by the FSF. The full text of this fourth draft can be read at http://gplv3.fsf.org/comments/gplv3-draft-4.html My comments on the draft

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 12:12:14PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Sat, 02 Jun 2007, Don Armstrong wrote: That said, can the ftpmaster who approved the inclusion of star in main speak up and give their rationale? Actually, I must take this back; it's almost certain that ftpmaster did not

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-02 Thread Michael Poole
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Jun 02, Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A blatant appeal to authority in place of facts or analysis isn't particularly useful information, and is even less so when arguments for the contrary position have been made but not answered. s/arguments/opinions/

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-02 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 02 Jun 2007, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 12:12:14PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Sat, 02 Jun 2007, Don Armstrong wrote: That said, can the ftpmaster who approved the inclusion of star in main speak up and give their rationale? Actually, I must take this

Opinions on Paul Hsieh derivative license

2007-06-02 Thread Paul Cager
I am packaging MyServer (http://bugs.debian.org/288655) and have a question about the license in one file: /* MyServer Copyright (C) 2005, 2006 The MyServer Team This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as

Bug#288655: Opinions on Paul Hsieh derivative license

2007-06-02 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 02 Jun 2007, Paul Cager wrote: The content may not be modified via excerpt or otherwise with the exception of additional citations such as described above without prior consent of Paul Hsieh. This seems to disallow modification, which is decidedly not DFSG free.

Re: Request for suggestions of DFSG-free documentation licences

2007-06-02 Thread Jordi Gutierrez Hermoso
On 26/05/07, Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jordi, please follow the code of conduct for the mailing lists URL:http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct. Specifically, don't send a separate copy of list messages to me, as I haven't asked for that. Oops, sorry. I forget. Other

Re: [long] Last call draft of GPL v3

2007-06-02 Thread Ben Finney
Thanks again, Francesco, for a thorough coverage of this latest GPLv3 draft. Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since the GPL is designed to be applicable to any work of authorship (not only computer programs), I once again suggest using a more neutral term than the Program. Something

Re: Computer with Debian preinstalled

2007-06-02 Thread Ben Finney
Michael Bode [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok, I will probably include a CD with the sources, because this is going to be some kind of 'embedded' PC with a reduced (i.e. no typical desktop) system and only a CF card and no hard disk or optical drive. That's the simplest way to satisfy the GPL

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 10:13:56AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Sun, 03 Jun 2007, Anthony Towns wrote: debian-devel re-added. On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 03:40:36PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 21:50:15 +1000 Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 10:54:36AM

Re: Opinions on Paul Hsieh derivative license

2007-06-02 Thread Ben Finney
Paul Cager [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Copyright (C) 2005, 2006 The MyServer Team This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or (at

Re: Request for suggestions of DFSG-free documentation licences

2007-06-02 Thread Ben Finney
Jordi Gutierrez Hermoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In practice, the GFDLed docs can be copied and modified as much as they need to be The DFSG requires that *any* modification be allowed to the work, and that the result be redistributable under the license. This is not the case for the FDL, and

Re: [long] Last call draft of GPL v3

2007-06-02 Thread Wesley J. Landaker
On Saturday 02 June 2007 19:05:16 Ben Finney wrote: Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since the GPL is designed to be applicable to any work of authorship (not only computer programs), I once again suggest using a more neutral term than the Program. Something like the Work would

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-02 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 11:10:19AM -0400, Michael Poole wrote: Anthony Towns writes: On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 03:40:36PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: I do *not* agree that the CDDL meets the DFSG, especially when a choice of venue is in place. That a poster to debian-legal doesn't think a

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-02 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007, Anthony Towns wrote: How you feel about a license isn't any more important than the other people's feelings that happen to be opposite to you. The above isn't analysis, it's grandstanding. My mistake; I assumed the references I provided earlier to the analysis done in 2005

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-02 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 09:29:08PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: Choice of venue clauses can short circuit the normal determination of jurisdiction in civil cases in some jurisdictions in some cases. Contracts and licenses in general short-circuit the normal determination of rights under common