Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-06-30 Thread Joe Smith
"Steve Langasek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Here I'm confused again. What does making the source code available have to do with patents? Isn't it the case that the license already requires source code availability? How does making the source code availabl

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-06-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Jun 30, 2007 at 01:05:21AM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: > [...] > > 3. Protecting Users' Legal Rights From Anti-Circumvention Law. > [...] > > When you convey a covered work, you waive any legal power to forbid > > circumvention of technological measures to the extent such > > circumven

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-06-30 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 22:10:46 +0200 Florian Weimer wrote: > * Francesco Poli: [...] > > I strongly *dislike* the entire concept of allowing a limited set of > > additional requirements to be added. It's *against* the spirit of > > the GPLv2 (where the FSF promised that new versions would "be > > s

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-06-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Jun 30, 2007 at 12:47:59AM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: > A "Standard Interface" means an interface that either is an official > standard defined by a recognized standards body, or, in the case of > interfaces specified for a particular programming language, one that > is widely used amon

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-06-30 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Thomas Dickey wrote: > sadly enough, _real_ lawyers represent their client, > and depending on the context will contradict themselves. Well, if clients contradict each other the lawyer has no choice but to play along... Arnoud -- Arnoud Engelfriet, Dutch & European patent attorney - Speaking on

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-06-30 Thread Thomas Dickey
Francesco Poli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, it would be interesting to hear what a real lawyer has to say > about this clause and its interpretation. sadly enough, _real_ lawyers represent their client, and depending on the context will contradict themselves. -- Thomas E. Dickey http://inv

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-06-30 Thread Florian Weimer
* Francesco Poli: >> b) Requiring preservation of specified reasonable legal notices or >> author attributions in that material or in the Appropriate Legal >> Notices displayed by works containing it; or > > I strongly *dislike* the entire concept of allowing a limited set of > additio

Re: Bug#431109: [PROPOSAL] Disambiguate of Section 12.5

2007-06-30 Thread Robert Millan
> But, AFAIUI, the purpose of this informational sentence is to comply > with the GNU GPL v2, which states, in Section 1: > > | give any other recipients of the Program a copy of this License > | along with the Program. > > and then includes (by reference to Section 1) this same restriction in >

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-06-30 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:31:29 +0100 Anthony Towns wrote: [...] > Francesco is not a lawyer, I *explicitly* wrote this disclaimer in my comment message ("The usual disclaimers: IANAL, IANADD."): I cannot understand why you seem to have such fun in pointing fingers at other people and repeating "he/

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-06-30 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 13:41:15 +0100 (BST) MJ Ray wrote: > Francesco Poli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > 3. Protecting Users' Legal Rights From Anti-Circumvention Law. > > [...] > > Waiving legal rights can be seen as a fee: this clause could fail > > DFSG#1. > > It could, but I don't think thi

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-06-30 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Jun 30, 2007 at 10:16:07AM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: > On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 02:35:42 +0100 Iain Nicol wrote: > > Concerning section 5d of the final text of the GPL 3: > > Francesco Poli worries: > > > It mandates a feature that I *must* implement in *any* interactive > > > interface of my

Replies from linux.* (was: Final text of GPL v3)

2007-06-30 Thread MJ Ray
[cc'd to curiosa because I'm not sure where else it should go and replies there and cc'd to me, not to -legal, please] Iain Nicol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (First: apologies. This message probably won't thread properly. This is > because I reading this list via Usenet, but because the Usenet ga

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-06-30 Thread MJ Ray
Francesco Poli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 3. Protecting Users' Legal Rights From Anti-Circumvention Law. > [...] > Waiving legal rights can be seen as a fee: this clause could fail > DFSG#1. It could, but I don't think this is one we can test in many cases. If GPLv3 does turn out to have bi

Re: Bug#431109: [PROPOSAL] Disambiguate of Section 12.5, Deprecate GPL/LGPL symlinks

2007-06-30 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:21:25 +0200 (CEST) Santiago Vila wrote: [...] > In other words, I think it would be ok if our copyright files were > worded like this: > > This program is free software. It is under GPL version 2 or later. On > Debian systems, the latest GPL version is in > /usr/share/commo

Re: [PROPOSAL] Disambiguate of Section 12.5

2007-06-30 Thread Robert Millan
On Sat, Jun 30, 2007 at 12:17:00AM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > > Instead, I think we should amend policy in this way: > > Packages under a fixed, definite version of the GPL should refer to > the versioned GPL file in /usr/share/common-licenses. On Sat, Jun 30, 2007 at 10:21:25AM +0200, Sa

Re: DPL's view of debian-legal (was: Debian Trademarks Summary)

2007-06-30 Thread MJ Ray
Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 05:38:20PM +0100, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 09:59:50AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > > > I think the Anthony Towns DPLship was not a fun time for those trying > > > to fix legal bugs and it should have been ended soo

Re: Bug#431109: [PROPOSAL] Disambiguate of Section 12.5, Deprecate GPL/LGPL symlinks

2007-06-30 Thread Santiago Vila
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Santiago Vila: > > > + file. Packages should not refer to GPL and LGPL symlinks in > > + that directory since different, incompatible versions of these > > + licenses have been published by the Free Software Foundation, > > +

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-06-30 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 02:35:42 +0100 Iain Nicol wrote: [...] > Concerning section 5d of the final text of the GPL 3: > > 5. Conveying Modified Source Versions. > [...] > > d) If the work has interactive user interfaces, each must > > display Appropriate Legal Notices; however, if the Progr

Re: Bug#431109: [PROPOSAL] Disambiguate of Section 12.5, Deprecate GPL/LGPL symlinks

2007-06-30 Thread Florian Weimer
* Santiago Vila: > + file. Packages should not refer to GPL and LGPL symlinks in > + that directory since different, incompatible versions of these > + licenses have been published by the Free Software Foundation, > + hence using the symlinks could lead to ambiguit