Re: Anti-TPM clauses

2007-09-12 Thread Freek Dijkstra
Thanks for all the feedback! The majority of the discussion seems to have shifted to CC-BY-SA 3.0, even though my initial question was about GPL v3. Let me first summarize the comments on the creative commons discussion. Kudos to Olive for making the most useful distinction in this discussion:

Re: Anti-TPM clauses

2007-09-12 Thread Olive
Ben Finney wrote: Olive [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ben Finney wrote: By what criterion do you decide that something is indeed DFSG-free? If such a criterion existed, I'm sure we'd love to know about it. It would make our lives on this list much simpler. For the GFDL; I consider a GR-vote as

Re: Anti-TPM clauses

2007-09-12 Thread Olive
What if there's a popular vote that declares that the Earth is flat? Does the Earth suddenly become flat, because of that? The DFSG is subject to interpretation and it is not possible to decide all cases definitively by just reading the terms. Debian has set rules to decide if a work can or

Re: Anti-TPM clauses

2007-09-12 Thread Olive
You seem to imply that a conscientious decision is by definition based on correct reasoning and equally correct conclusions. As if FTP masters could only be wrong when they press the wrong key on their keyboard by mistake. As far as I know, FTP masters are human beings and can therefore make

Using Debian as a base for a LiveCD together with non-free products.

2007-09-12 Thread Jenner Fusari
Hi debian.legal, is it possible to use Debian as the base for a Live CD intended to present a commercial (non free) software (test and evaluate it in its demo version)? Is there any legal issue on doing this? The GPLv2 seems to allow distributing GPLv2-software together with

Re: Using Debian as a base for a LiveCD together with non-free products.

2007-09-12 Thread Jeff Licquia
Jenner Fusari wrote: is it possible to use Debian as the base for a Live CD intended to present a commercial (non free) software (test and evaluate it in its demo version)? Is there any legal issue on doing this? There could be; we have no idea. From the free software side, there should be

Re: Anti-TPM clauses

2007-09-12 Thread Olive
So while the method is rather different, the end-result is exactly the same. At least, so it seems to me. So I asl my question again: In this light, doesn't that make GPLv3 just a free or non-free (in particular DSFG-free or DSFG-non-free) as CC-BY and CC-BY-SA?

Re: Anti-TPM clauses

2007-09-12 Thread Shriramana Sharma
Olive wrote: The persons who are entitled to take a decision (i.e. the ftp masters) have decided that CC-BY-SA is free. Many people here say that something is not suitable for main even though it has already been decided otherwise by the persons entitled to take the decision. They mistake

Re: Anti-TPM clauses

2007-09-12 Thread Olive
Shriramana Sharma wrote: Olive wrote: The persons who are entitled to take a decision (i.e. the ftp masters) have decided that CC-BY-SA is free. Many people here say that something is not suitable for main even though it has already been decided otherwise by the persons entitled to take the

Re: SIM-IM uses default ICQ sounds

2007-09-12 Thread Wesley J. Landaker
On Tuesday 11 September 2007 03:20:20 Andrew Donnellan wrote: On 9/11/07, Joseph Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do sounds count as trademarks? If so, this likely is one. There are audio trademarks, yes, although this may not be one. However, audio is definitely copyrightable, so even if it

Re: SIM-IM uses default ICQ sounds

2007-09-12 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Wesley J. Landaker wrote: FWIW, that uh-oh sound had been one of those silly things going around the internet long before ICQ ever existed; ICQ just grabbed it and used it[1]. I'm not sure anyone really knows what the source is. The BBC may have a good case based on their copyrights on the

Re: Anti-TPM clauses

2007-09-12 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:36:49 +0200 Olive wrote: You seem to imply that a conscientious decision is by definition based on correct reasoning and equally correct conclusions. As if FTP masters could only be wrong when they press the wrong key on their keyboard by mistake. As far as I

Re: Anti-TPM clauses

2007-09-12 Thread Francesco Poli
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:59:35 -0700 Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2007 at 11:50:32PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:16:39 +1000 Ben Finney wrote: Freek Dijkstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] it's probably non-free, and best not put it in main. Correct?

Re: Anti-TPM clauses

2007-09-12 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:31:04 +0200 Freek Dijkstra wrote: [...] Are they *DFSG-free* or not? So yes, it *is* a GR-vote who decides here. Because the DFSG are only changed or clarified by such a vote. Please note that GR-2006-001 (http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001) did not change the

Re: Anti-TPM clauses

2007-09-12 Thread Olive
Francesco Poli wrote: On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:36:49 +0200 Olive wrote: You seem to imply that a conscientious decision is by definition based on correct reasoning and equally correct conclusions. As if FTP masters could only be wrong when they press the wrong key on their keyboard by mistake.

Re: Anti-TPM clauses

2007-09-12 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:51:31 +0200 Olive wrote: [...] What make sense is what Debian considers free and as long as the decision is taken according to rules we can say that Debian considers it free. *As long as the decision is taken according to rules*... What do you mean? As long as the

Re: Anti-TPM clauses

2007-09-12 Thread Ben Finney
Olive [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Francesco Poli wrote: Firstoff, please note that *packages* are accepted in main or otherwise rejected. *Packages*, not *licenses*. OK, but packages are accepted according to their license; when I say that Debian accept a license I mean that it accept

Re: Anti-TPM clauses

2007-09-12 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 10:13:31PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:31:04 +0200 Freek Dijkstra wrote: Are they *DFSG-free* or not? So yes, it *is* a GR-vote who decides here. Because the DFSG are only changed or clarified by such a vote. Please note that GR-2006-001

CPAL (was: Bug#442032: ITP: openproj -- A desktop replacement for Microsoft Project. It is capable of sharing files with Microsoft Project...)

2007-09-12 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 9/13/07, Laurent Chretienneau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Laurent Chretienneau [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: openproj Version : 0.9.4 Upstream Author : Projity Inc. * URL : http://www.openproj.org * License :