Re: distributing precompiled binaries

2009-04-02 Thread Mike Hommey
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 07:38:39PM +0100, Dave Howe wrote: > MJ Ray wrote: > > So where did the above "PDF and PS are programming languages" argument > > come from? References, please! > > PDF and PS *are* programming languages, and quite powerful ones. > However, they are entirely interpreted -

Re: distributing precompiled binaries

2009-04-02 Thread Ben Finney
Francesco Poli writes: > When there is no source (== preferred form for making modifications) > available, I do not think we should call the work DFSG-free. I would clarify the ambiguity of “available”: The upstream developer, by definition, has available a preferred form of the work for making

Re: distributing precompiled binaries

2009-04-02 Thread Dave Howe
MJ Ray wrote: > So where did the above "PDF and PS are programming languages" argument > come from? References, please! PDF and PS *are* programming languages, and quite powerful ones. However, they are entirely interpreted - the output of a pdf "compiler" would be a static image, not a pdf docum

Re: distributing precompiled binaries

2009-04-02 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:40:06 -0400 Greg Harris wrote: > On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 18:52:45 +0200 > Francesco Poli wrote: [...] > > As far as I am concerned, I do *not* want to separate documentation > > and programs from fonts, graphics, sounds, and so forth. > > I am convinced that *all* these works need

Re: distributing precompiled binaries

2009-04-02 Thread Ben Finney
Chow Loong Jin writes: > Either way, remuco's upstream author has informed me that the WTK > dependency can be dropped and replaced with MicroEmu, which appears > to be LGPL. When I have time, I'll work on packaging that, as it > doesn't seem to be in Debian yet. Thanks for the update and good n

Re: distributing precompiled binaries

2009-04-02 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message <49d496cc.yviehl9rqvhommxs%...@phonecoop.coop>, MJ Ray writes So where did the above "PDF and PS are programming languages" argument come from? References, please! No references, sorry, but I certainly got the impression from the books I had years ago (PostScript reference manuals

Re: distributing precompiled binaries

2009-04-02 Thread Greg Harris
On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 18:52:45 +0200 Francesco Poli wrote: > On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 23:02:06 -0700 Steve Langasek wrote: > > [...] > > It's reasonable for you to hold the position that this is "not > > free". But that's not what the DFSG says; and before someone tries > > to change the DFSG to say thi

Re: distributing precompiled binaries

2009-04-02 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Sun, 2009-03-29 at 15:37 +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > I disagree, seeing PDFs as being like intermediate code rather than > source code, but both gammu and remuco claim to be under the GPL, so > require good source for their applets, so let's not have this debate > here now. Both gammu and remuco come

Re: distributing precompiled binaries

2009-04-02 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 23:02:06 -0700 Steve Langasek wrote: [...] > It's reasonable for you to hold the position that this is "not free". But > that's not what the DFSG says; and before someone tries to change the DFSG > to say this, I would recommend someone try to come up with a brighter line > to

Re: distributing precompiled binaries

2009-04-02 Thread MJ Ray
Steve Langasek wrote: [...] > The argument used to justify the claim that the DFSG requires source for PDF > and PS files is that PDF and PS are programming languages. [...] I asked that we not have this argument here and now, because this case involves applets under the GPL, so the PDF-source p