Re: Let's stop feeding the NVidia cuckoo

2005-03-02 Thread Ben Johnson
MJ Ray wrote: >I still feel that [nv] falls into a "free but not very good" category, but I think I would be convinced by an FSF position on this. Here is the answer to my mail to the FSF, if you still care: >I think that debian-legal is asking the right quesiton here: is this really what the NV

Re: Let's stop feeding the NVidia cuckoo

2005-03-01 Thread Ben Johnson
Hi, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I still feel [the nv driver] falls into a "free but not very good" category, but I think I would be convinced by an FSF position on this. After a quick search to try and find if the FSF ever voiced an opinion on nv, I unfortunately only dug out the well-know

Re: Let's stop feeding the NVidia cuckoo

2005-03-01 Thread Ben Johnson
>If people could prefer to code in that way back then, I have no difficulty believing that there are people today who honestly prefer a similar coding style when they write device drivers. Interesting point, yet maybe this coding style was preferred because of much simpler hardware at the time (ju

Re: Let's stop feeding the NVidia cuckoo

2005-02-28 Thread Ben Johnson
--- Josh Triplett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think MJ Ray was answering rudely there My sincere apologies to MJ Ray if I misunderstood what he was saying. > Please don't let a few people spoil your outlook > on debian-legal as > a whole. > > - Josh Triplett Thank you, this is refres

Re: Let's stop feeding the NVidia cuckoo

2005-02-28 Thread Ben Johnson
>Maybe debian-x, maybe debian-devel or maybe you need a new list. Ok, debian-wankers, got it. If some people feel the topic is so absurd, why do they waste their time answering rudely ? I expect contradiction, but if gratuitously insulting others is some game, let them play with their sado-masochi

Re: Let's stop feeding the NVidia cuckoo

2005-02-26 Thread Ben Johnson
--- Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > None of X is free as defined by the FSF. It is open source as defined by the OSI, and free as defined by the DFSG, but the FSF would not call MIT/X11 or three-clause BSD free software. Actually, the FSF used to have a tooth against the X Consortium,

Re: Let's stop feeding the NVidia cuckoo

2005-02-26 Thread Ben Johnson
arch engine ! Cheers, Camille d'Alméras --- Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 12:02:50PM -0800, Ben > Johnson wrote: > > I would like to hear your comments on the matter > > before I submit a bug report asking for the > removal > >

Re: Let's stop feeding the NVidia cuckoo

2005-02-25 Thread Ben Johnson
one of the existing maintainers gets hit by a bus, or we're screwed. ;o)" Really all this is getting as far as it gets from the spirit, if not the letter, of free software... Camille d'Alméras --- Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Ben Johnson: > T

Let's stop feeding the NVidia cuckoo

2005-02-25 Thread Ben Johnson
Hi list, I would like to hear your comments on the matter before I submit a bug report asking for the removal from base of the nv X driver and possibly also of the rivafb kernel module for severe policy violation. The code for nv is voluntarily obfuscated, in effect making it proprietary: its sole