Re: Aspell-en license Once again.

2002-11-06 Thread Branden Robinson
in general speak to each other in the manner Henning addressed me. -- G. Branden Robinson| Human beings rarely imagine a god Debian GNU/Linux | that behaves any better than a [EMAIL PROTECTED] | spoiled child. http://people.debian.org

Re: Aspell-en license Once again.

2002-11-05 Thread Branden Robinson
BS. Until you can settle down I'm not going to discuss this with you. -- G. Branden Robinson|Optimists believe we live in the Debian GNU/Linux |best of all possible worlds. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Pessimists are afraid the optimists http

Re: Aspell-en license Once again.

2002-11-05 Thread Branden Robinson
the European Union, want to oppose it? -- G. Branden Robinson| The National Security Agency is Debian GNU/Linux | working on the Fourth Amendment [EMAIL PROTECTED] | thing. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Phil Lago, Deputy XD, CIA

Re: Aspell-en license Once again.

2002-11-05 Thread Branden Robinson
of corporations. We'd all be better off if copyright law worldwide were vastly reformed to reflect common sense and human rights rather than a welfare system for corporations and the heirs of dead artists. -- G. Branden Robinson|If a man ate a pound of pasta and a Debian GNU/Linux

Re: Aspell-en license Once again.

2002-11-04 Thread Branden Robinson
educated that it isn't just the United States that passes bad laws. [1] the same sort of unilaterialist hubris that George W. Bush is rightfully accused of -- G. Branden Robinson|To Republicans, limited government Debian GNU/Linux |means not assisting

Re: off-topic discussion about permissions and promises

2002-11-03 Thread Branden Robinson
laissez-faire about U.S. capitalism is that rich individuals and corporations are free to shoot you in the back of the head and then send your next-of-kin an invoice for the labor and material costs incurred in carrying out your execution. -- G. Branden Robinson|Somewhere

Re: ldp-es_20002103-7_i386.changes REJECTED

2002-11-02 Thread Branden Robinson
are quite wrong. A translated work is a product of both the original author and the translator, and both have an independent copyright. Several people have explained this to Javier. He seems unwilling to look through Galileo's telescope on the point. -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: ldp-es_20002103-7_i386.changes REJECTED

2002-10-31 Thread Branden Robinson
in OpenBSD. Contrary to what people might think, not only can I chance the license of version X, I can change the license of version X minus 1, X minus 2, X minus 3... Any license that is revocable at will in this manner is not DFSG-free, even if would otherwise be. -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: LZW patented file left in .orig.tar source package?

2002-10-30 Thread Branden Robinson
are different parties, we cannot make such an assumption at all. Copyright holder A cannot, in general, make guarantees on behalf of patent holder B that the copyrighted work is non-infringing on the patent. -- G. Branden Robinson| The only way to get rid of a Debian GNU/Linux

Re: ldp-es_20002103-7_i386.changes REJECTED

2002-10-29 Thread Branden Robinson
that the document or any translation of it could possibly be allowed in main. The non-freeness of the original document would prevent any translation from being DFSG-free, as I understand U.S. copyright law. -- G. Branden Robinson|People are equally horrified at Debian GNU/Linux

Re: New EULA of UnrealIRCd

2002-10-29 Thread Branden Robinson
not be enforcable anywhere to the degree that the unilateral change adds new demands of the user. Debian generally respects even unenforceable licenses. -- G. Branden Robinson| No math genius, eh? Then perhaps Debian GNU/Linux | you could explain to me where you

Re: ldp-es_20002103-7_i386.changes REJECTED

2002-10-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 09:03:31PM +0100, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 01:02:20PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 12:36:28PM +0100, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: May I remark the phrase The copyright in such work

Re: ldp-es_20002103-7_i386.changes REJECTED

2002-10-29 Thread Branden Robinson
, thats perfectly legiimate. Difference does not apply exclusiveness. Or haven't you ever seen a work with multiple copyright notices? -- G. Branden Robinson|Any man who does not realize that Debian GNU/Linux |he is half an animal is only half a [EMAIL

Re: New EULA of UnrealIRCd

2002-10-29 Thread Branden Robinson
agreement? -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux |Yeah, that's what Jesus would do. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Jesus would bomb Afghanistan. Yeah. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | pgphAhOwXPoLc.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: New EULA of UnrealIRCd

2002-10-29 Thread Branden Robinson
] Yes, it's a minor point, but poor grammar degrades clarity. One wants clarity in legal language even more than in regular conversation. -- G. Branden Robinson| Good judgement comes from Debian GNU/Linux | experience; experience comes from [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Fwd: Re: libjpeg for debian, autoconf

2002-10-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 01:30:48PM -0800, James Michael DuPont wrote: The reason why I am re-doing the port of these tools to windows is the lack of the source codes and the general disrespect of the section3 of the GPL in the windows community. I'm shocked -- shocked, I say! -- G. Branden

Re: ldp-es_20002103-7_i386.changes REJECTED

2002-10-28 Thread Branden Robinson
delusion and FUD, the GPL does not supersede the licensing on any work (unless the person who holds the copyright on a work says so). -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | Music is the brandy of the damned. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- George

Re: New EULA of UnrealIRCd

2002-10-28 Thread Branden Robinson
feet, which violates DFSG 7. -- G. Branden Robinson| We either learn from history or, Debian GNU/Linux | uh, well, something bad will [EMAIL PROTECTED] | happen. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Bob Church

Re: [dev] Re: LZW patented file left in .orig.tar source package?

2002-10-27 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 08:20:56PM +, Sander Vesik wrote: On Sat, 26 Oct 2002, Branden Robinson wrote: On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 06:34:14PM +0100, Sander Vesik wrote: Speaking as the upstream - it would also be definately much better if everyone used just the same one tarball

Re: LZW patented file left in .orig.tar source package?

2002-10-26 Thread Branden Robinson
intellectual property right. -- G. Branden Robinson| There's nothing an agnostic can't Debian GNU/Linux | do if he doesn't know whether he [EMAIL PROTECTED] | believes in it or not. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Graham Chapman

Re: [aspell-devel] Problems with aspell-en license

2002-10-25 Thread Branden Robinson
. If need be, I can host the removed packages from my public_html directory on people.debian.org, which is a U.S. host. Of course, only Debian users from the U.S., Canada, and other countries that respect the principle of _Feist_ can use them. -- G. Branden Robinson| I suspect Linus

Re: LZW patented file left in .orig.tar source package?

2002-10-25 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 09:10:32AM +0100, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Debian should not be shipping -- in source or binary form -- anything in main that isn't DFSG-free, because unless we make a good-faith effort to ensure that everyting in main is DFSG

Re: [aspell-devel] Problems with aspell-en license

2002-10-24 Thread Branden Robinson
with this offer, not you. I vote for allowing the package into Debian main as is. It's just that it appears to me that there is not unanimous agreement on that course of action. -- G. Branden Robinson| Intellectual property is neither Debian GNU/Linux

Re: [aspell-devel] Problems with aspell-en license

2002-10-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 11:09:17PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I vote for allowing the package into Debian main as is. Er, the package is already in Debian main, though the package incorrectly states the license in LGPL. Under the analysis of some

Re: LZW patented file left in .orig.tar source package?

2002-10-24 Thread Branden Robinson
. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | Ab abusu ad usum non valet [EMAIL PROTECTED] | consequentia. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | pgpcIC7jGppu2.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [aspell-devel] Problems with aspell-en license

2002-10-23 Thread Branden Robinson
] native English speakers, *mentally* insert your favorite joke about the law not being written in English here, so that you don't have to contribute it to this discussion -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | If encryption is outlawed, only [EMAIL

Re: LZW patented file left in .orig.tar source package?

2002-10-23 Thread Branden Robinson
, though, I'm not sure about. -- G. Branden Robinson| Never attribute to malice that Debian GNU/Linux | which can be adequately explained [EMAIL PROTECTED] | by stupidity. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | pgpIe9kJmXrpt.pgp Description

Re: [aspell-devel] Problems with aspell-en license

2002-10-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 08:40:37AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 03:47:55PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Is original completely meaningless? No, I am merely saying that you have not proven your implied premise that all wordlists are created by extraction from

Re: [aspell-devel] Problems with aspell-en license

2002-10-21 Thread Branden Robinson
empires. Asserting copyright in word lists extracted from dictionaries, and other works that are the result of the un-original application of processes, is a tactic that forfeits strategies we'll need in the future. Let us not surrender battles we have yet to fight. -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: [aspell-devel] Problems with aspell-en license

2002-10-21 Thread Branden Robinson
to say that I hope that it is the case that these are un-copyrightable, but as of yet your arguments based on law don't seem convincing. I don't think you are reading my argument very carefully. -- G. Branden Robinson| There's nothing an agnostic can't Debian GNU/Linux

Re: BSD license, core libraries, and NetBSD

2002-10-18 Thread Branden Robinson
? Something about harmonization and all that. :-P http://www.usdoj.gov/osg/briefs/2002/3mer/2mer/2001-0618.mer.aa.html http://www.kryogenix.org/writings/tech/eucd -- G. Branden Robinson| To be is to do -- Plato Debian GNU/Linux | To do

Re: Fwd: GNU VCG

2002-10-17 Thread Branden Robinson
outputting files, so that you could run them through other programs is bad; someone, somewhere, might actually use that data in a non-approved way. They might forget to put a license on their perl script, say. Huh? -- G. Branden Robinson| You could wire up a dead rat to a Debian

Re: BSD license, core libraries, and NetBSD

2002-10-15 Thread Branden Robinson
/4bsd/README.Impt.License.Change -- G. Branden Robinson| Good judgement comes from Debian GNU/Linux | experience; experience comes from [EMAIL PROTECTED] | bad judgement. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Fred Brooks

Re: BSD license, core libraries, and NetBSD

2002-10-15 Thread Branden Robinson
, at least in the United States. http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/17/chapters/1/sections/section_106.html -- G. Branden Robinson| You could wire up a dead rat to a Debian GNU/Linux | DIMM socket and the PC BIOS memory [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: New license of the fonts

2002-10-15 Thread Branden Robinson
than doing it fast. If the Debian Project can help you to select or write a license that meets your needs, please don't hesitate to contact us at: debian-legal@lists.debian.org -- G. Branden Robinson| To be is to do -- Plato Debian GNU/Linux | To do

Re: Bug#164874: mobilemesh: recommends non-free package

2002-10-15 Thread Branden Robinson
should get their money back from whatever lawyer wrote this. The package is not coherently licensed and should not be distributed by Debian at all, even in non-free, until this problem is resolved. -- G. Branden Robinson|You should try building some of the Debian GNU/Linux

Re: Courier package: GPL vs OpenSSL license

2002-10-15 Thread Branden Robinson
TLS's OpenSSL compatiblity layer provide sufficient functionality for Courier to work with it? (apt-get install libgnutls5-dev) -- G. Branden Robinson|If you wish to strive for peace of Debian GNU/Linux |soul, then believe; if you wish to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Regarding linux-kernel-conf and Qt

2002-10-14 Thread Branden Robinson
not exhaustively catalog every case. -- G. Branden Robinson| It's not a matter of alienating Debian GNU/Linux | authors. They have every right to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | license their software however we http://people.debian.org/~branden

Re: OpenSSL, SUN and ECC (patent issue)

2002-10-12 Thread Branden Robinson
would He get around to less serious offenses like disbelief. ;-) -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux |Yeah, that's what Jesus would do. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Jesus would bomb Afghanistan. Yeah. http://people.debian.org/~branden

Re: APSL

2002-10-12 Thread Branden Robinson
, please cc me the answers. There have been a few revisions of the APSL. Please provide us with a pointer to the one you're talking about. -- G. Branden Robinson|A celibate clergy is an especially Debian GNU/Linux |good idea, because it tends to [EMAIL

Re: license questions.

2002-10-09 Thread Branden Robinson
is implicitly prohibited by the Constitution. Other people believe that Section 4.1 of the Constitution already gives the Developers this power. The only reason two GRs were proposed is because each of the groups is trying to pound some sense into the other. -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: Bug#143063 acknowledged by developer (Bug#143063: fixed in mmix 1:0.0.20020615-3)

2002-10-07 Thread Branden Robinson
-- or not -- even in the source distribution. -- G. Branden Robinson|The first thing the communists do Debian GNU/Linux |when they take over a country is to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |outlaw cockfighting. http://people.debian.org/~branden

Re: license questions.

2002-10-07 Thread Branden Robinson
. -- G. Branden Robinson| Convictions are more dangerous Debian GNU/Linux | enemies of truth than lies. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Friedrich Nietzsche http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | pgpK5S8xYFhJs.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Bug#143063 acknowledged by developer (Bug#143063: fixed in mmix 1:0.0.20020615-3)

2002-10-07 Thread Branden Robinson
of restrictions they can place in the license on the back of that exception that we'll accept. They're wrong. The patch clause is doing more harm than good. -- G. Branden Robinson| The software said it required Debian GNU/Linux | Windows 3.1

Re: cdrdao license issues show that cdrtools package is non DFSG, too?

2002-10-05 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 08:28:30AM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: On Fri, 2002-10-04 at 12:35, Branden Robinson wrote: Strictly speaking, our concerns are only whether a license is legimitate, and whether it's DFSG-free. Well, when we see stuff like the cdrdao license, which appears

Re: cdrdao license issues show that cdrtools package is non DFSG, too?

2002-10-04 Thread Branden Robinson
the stick, e.g., waiving the must-distribute-source requirement of the GPL. -- G. Branden Robinson| Never underestimate the power of Debian GNU/Linux | human stupidity. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Robert Heinlein http://people.debian.org

Re: cdrdao license issues show that cdrtools package is non DFSG, too?

2002-10-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 06:48:31PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: In short (as I understand it), placing software under the GPL with additional restrictions simply doesn't work. It does, if you dual-license it. If you don't, then in general you've got software without a license. -- G. Branden

Re: cdrdao license issues show that cdrtools package is non DFSG, too?

2002-10-02 Thread Branden Robinson
need to be moved out of main. -- G. Branden Robinson| I suspect Linus wrote that in a Debian GNU/Linux | complicated way only to be able to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | have that comment in there. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Lars

Re: License issue in libconcurrent-java

2002-10-01 Thread Branden Robinson
a transferrable license, you'll either have to remove the files or move the package to non-free. Anyway, thanks in advance for your advice! Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. -- G. Branden Robinson| You could wire up a dead rat to a Debian GNU/Linux

Re: Debian logo and TM logos

2002-09-25 Thread Branden Robinson
, and about what. -- G. Branden Robinson| Good judgement comes from Debian GNU/Linux | experience; experience comes from [EMAIL PROTECTED] | bad judgement. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Fred Brooks pgp0EhqkEPaq8.pgp

Re: Debian logo and TM logos

2002-09-24 Thread Branden Robinson
remarks -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | De minimis non curat lex. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | pgp7rSvcb86L1.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: is this DFSG?

2002-09-23 Thread Branden Robinson
, and delcares this not a problem :) -- G. Branden Robinson|Religion is regarded by the common Debian GNU/Linux |people as true, by the wise as [EMAIL PROTECTED] |false, and by the rulers as useful. http://people.debian.org/~branden

Re: is this DFSG?

2002-09-22 Thread Branden Robinson
code under the DFSG. You can do it under GPL, BSD, or put the code under into public domain. I concur with Santiago on this. -- G. Branden Robinson| The National Security Agency is Debian GNU/Linux | working on the Fourth Amendment [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Knuth statement on renaming cm files and Licence violation.

2002-09-05 Thread Branden Robinson
so has it ever occured to you to use logic?, then please go away. Because that's just what you sound like. If you want logic, establish your premises with the aid of 2 months' worth of context. If you just want to bitch, consider yourself heard. Now move along. -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: Knuth statement on renaming cm files and Licence violation.

2002-09-05 Thread Branden Robinson
, move along, for your observations are off-topic. -- G. Branden Robinson| No math genius, eh? Then perhaps Debian GNU/Linux | you could explain to me where you [EMAIL PROTECTED] | got these... PENROSE TILES! http://people.debian.org

Re: Knuth statement on renaming cm files and Licence violation.

2002-09-04 Thread Branden Robinson
software in that event. -- G. Branden Robinson| If you have the slightest bit of Debian GNU/Linux | intellectual integrity you cannot [EMAIL PROTECTED] | support the government. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- anonymous

Re: Removal of Email Address

2002-09-01 Thread Branden Robinson
. Please see the Debian Mailing List disclaimer: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/disclaimer -- G. Branden Robinson|A committee is a life form with six Debian GNU/Linux |or more legs and no brain. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |-- Robert Heinlein http

Re: Removal of Email Address

2002-09-01 Thread Branden Robinson
apply it consistently; i.e., to all email addresses 2) we leave enough information for a person to be able to reconstruct the address unambiguously -- G. Branden Robinson|Somebody once asked me if I thought Debian GNU/Linux |sex was dirty. I said

Re: License-fee exemption for mp3 decoders removed?

2002-08-29 Thread Branden Robinson
conditions sound familiar. :) -- G. Branden Robinson| We either learn from history or, Debian GNU/Linux | uh, well, something bad will [EMAIL PROTECTED] | happen. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Bob Church

Re: Bad license on VCG?

2002-08-27 Thread Branden Robinson
fulfill the requirements of the GNU GPL, therefore they may not distribute the Software at all. Non-distributable means non-free. You should probably file a grave bug against this package. Feel free to quote this mail. -- G. Branden Robinson| Human beings rarely imagine

Re: mindterm copyright (more opensslish stuff)

2002-08-27 Thread Branden Robinson
using a recipe. This recipe could then be handed to the FTP admins. Or perhaps the consensus of debian-legal is good enough for the FTP team; it has been in the past. I wonder what the delta between Tatu's ssh 1.2.12 and 1.2.26 is, and how much of that affects mindterm. -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: comments on String::LRC license

2002-08-26 Thread Branden Robinson
OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | Bother, said Pooh

Re: [Fwd: Re: Watercolor-theme for Metacity]

2002-08-25 Thread Branden Robinson
, perhaps Microsoft is a poor example... -- G. Branden Robinson|Men use thought only to justify Debian GNU/Linux |their wrong doings, and speech only [EMAIL PROTECTED] |to conceal their thoughts. http://people.debian.org/~branden

Re: How to get rid of non-free packers?

2002-08-23 Thread Branden Robinson
that they play for free. /me grins, ducks, runs, and watches that one go over the heads of everyone outside the U.S. -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | Music is the brandy of the damned. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- George Bernard Shaw http

QPL: non-free?

2002-08-20 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 04:43:20AM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: Any references? Google for 'zend Branden Robinson' can't find anything other than the message I'm replying to. Hmm, must have been IRC. Zend appears to be distributed under different licenses. http://www.zend.com/license

Re: aspell-nl license

2002-08-20 Thread Branden Robinson
, when our genotypes are copyrighted and we are prosecuted for carrying around billions of unlicensed copies, we'll wake up and smell the bullshit that is intellectual property law. -- G. Branden Robinson|If you wish to strive for peace of Debian GNU/Linux

Re: aspell-nl license

2002-08-18 Thread Branden Robinson
in one key using only the tonic, subdominant, and dominant scale degrees. (There is a finite and small number of ways to juxtapose three chords without repeating them.) -- G. Branden Robinson| Reality is what refuses to go away Debian GNU/Linux | when I

Re: New Sun's documentation license

2002-08-16 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 09:17:26AM +0100, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As U.S. law becomes increasingly hostile to free software development, we may need to revisit that interpretation. Maybe, but the choice of law stuff is only there for settling

Re: TeX Licenses teTeX (Was: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia)

2002-08-15 Thread Branden Robinson
, of course there are no First Amendment problems with the DMCA; consumers retain their Fair Use rights in theory. If we make it practically impossible for them to exercise them, it's not our problem. -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | Extra territorium

Re: DFSG 4

2002-08-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 02:27:39PM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: On Sat, 2002-08-10 at 18:18, Branden Robinson wrote: Is there, in fact, any other software that would need to be pulled from main if DSFG 4 were eliminated and DFSG 3 rewritten as follows: Just stumbled across one: The Q

Re: New Sun's documentation license

2002-08-15 Thread Branden Robinson
of software freedom; the DMCA, crypto regulations, and patents spring to mind. How would U.S. developers like it if a free software author in a country that bans encryption entirely distributed a software product under a DFSG-free license, but with a choice-of-law clause? -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: New Sun's documentation license

2002-08-15 Thread Branden Robinson
hostile to free software development, we may need to revisit that interpretation. -- G. Branden Robinson|If a man ate a pound of pasta and a Debian GNU/Linux |pound of antipasto, would they [EMAIL PROTECTED] |cancel out, leaving him

Re: Is no-advertising clause GPL-compatible?

2002-08-11 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Aug 11, 2002 at 04:12:05PM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: On Wed, 2002-08-07 at 13:04, Branden Robinson wrote: Historically, this is regarded as a GPL-compatible license. The GPL-incompatible BSD-style clause is the one that *forces* you to publicize the name of the copyright

DFSG 4

2002-08-10 Thread Branden Robinson
modifications in any way. ? -- G. Branden Robinson| No math genius, eh? Then perhaps Debian GNU/Linux | you could explain to me where you [EMAIL PROTECTED] | got these... PENROSE TILES! http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Stephen R

Re: Bug#153257: TeX Licenses teTeX (Was: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia)

2002-08-08 Thread Branden Robinson
is a technical mechanism for making reference to an inteface, just as a filename is a technical mechanism for identifying a set of bytes on a disk. DFSG-free licenses do not compel functional incompatibility, or the advertisement of same. -- G. Branden Robinson| I came, I saw

Re: TeX Licenses teTeX (Was: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia)

2002-08-08 Thread Branden Robinson
can editorialize on how Debian has lost its way from the true freedom that is represented by TeX. In other words, it's the same, tired old my free is better than your free noise that some BSD advocates have been spewing against the Free Software Foundation for 15 years or more. -- G. Branden

Re: Software Patents Re: MP3 decoders' non-freeness

2002-08-07 Thread Branden Robinson
. Police and courts protecting your markets good. Guaranteed revenue streams good. State-protected business models good. Competition bad. Invisible hand bad. Product reviews bad. Independent scientific research bad. -- G. Branden Robinson|The best place to hide something

Re: Is no-advertising clause GPL-compatible?

2002-08-07 Thread Branden Robinson
with them on that point. I hope this helps! -- G. Branden Robinson|The first thing the communists do Debian GNU/Linux |when they take over a country is to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |outlaw cockfighting. http://people.debian.org/~branden

Re: TeX Licenses teTeX (Was: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia)

2002-08-06 Thread Branden Robinson
such action. As the package maintainer I would think C. M. Connelly should be involved in such an appointment procedure. -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | Music is the brandy of the damned. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- George Bernard Shaw

Re: TeX Licenses teTeX (Was: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia)

2002-08-06 Thread Branden Robinson
song, and not even similar except insofar as they are part of the same genre of music and were recorded using similar instruments. To the best of my knowledge, neither group ever ever sued the over this song title, or had a cause of action to do so. -- G. Branden Robinson| One

Re: TeX Licenses teTeX (Was: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia)

2002-08-06 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 01:45:17PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Frank Mittelbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: GUYS, CUT IT OUT WITH THE CCS. I KNOW BOTH OF YOU READ DEBIAN-LEGAL, AND YOU'LL NOTE I HAVEN'T BEEN CCING YOU RECENTLY. -- G. Branden Robinson|Damnit, we're all

Re: TeX Licenses teTeX (Was: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia)

2002-08-05 Thread Branden Robinson
not violate the DFSG. -- G. Branden Robinson|A celibate clergy is an especially Debian GNU/Linux |good idea, because it tends to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |suppress any hereditary propensity http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |toward fanaticism

Re: TeX Licenses teTeX (Was: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia)

2002-08-05 Thread Branden Robinson
, but you've managed to do it with this careless and spiteful characterization of the Debian Project. -- G. Branden Robinson| Reality is what refuses to go away Debian GNU/Linux | when I stop believing in it. [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: TeX Licenses teTeX (Was: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia)

2002-08-05 Thread Branden Robinson
with the sophistry. A file renaming requirement is not DFSG-free and never will be unless the DFSG is amended to make it thus. -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux |Yeah, that's what Jesus would do. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Jesus would bomb Afghanistan

Re: TeX Licenses teTeX (Was: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia)

2002-08-05 Thread Branden Robinson
we're probably stuck with lousy laws until there are fires in the streets.) Does anyone know if Prof. Knuth has appointed an attorney-in-fact to handle any legal issues with TeX, METAFONT, and Computer Modern that might crop up? -- G. Branden Robinson|If you make people think

Re: TeX Licenses teTeX (Was: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia)

2002-08-05 Thread Branden Robinson
not permit it. Then the Computer Modern Fonts or TeX are not free (at least according to Branden Robinson) that may well be the case. Only if I am compelled to ignore what I would ordinarily think is a pretty clear and unambiguous statement from Knuth. It is nice to learn all those new words, first

Re: TeX Licenses teTeX (Was: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia)

2002-08-05 Thread Branden Robinson
, that will be necessary. -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | Cogitationis poenam nemo meretur. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | pgpQd6n3s7JAm.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: TeX Licenses teTeX (Was: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia)

2002-08-05 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 07:37:22PM +0200, Frank Mittelbach wrote: Branden Robinson writes: On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 11:04:56AM -0400, Boris Veytsman wrote: 1. As a true CS professor, Knuth distinguishes between the program (i.e. the code of the program) and the name of the program

Re: TeX Licenses teTeX (Was: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia)

2002-08-05 Thread Branden Robinson
you could have some handouts prepared, so you can get some sleep at the celebration? I have to admit that this message has given me unexpected new insights into the licensing issues on TeX and LaTeX; thanks for posting it. ;-) -- G. Branden Robinson|I must despise the world

Re: GPL exception for the OpenSSL library

2002-08-01 Thread Branden Robinson
that (in theory), a license has the same force regardless of the identity of the copyright holder, I think it would make sense for the exception to quote the OpenSSL license, but not its copyright notices. -- G. Branden Robinson|America is at that awkward stage. Debian GNU/Linux

Re: Concluding the LPPL debate, try 2

2002-07-27 Thread Branden Robinson
enough of that with respect to the LPPL and the DFSG this month. :) -- G. Branden Robinson| What influenced me to atheism was Debian GNU/Linux | reading the Bible cover to cover. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Twice. http://people.debian.org/~branden

Re: Concluding the LPPL debate, try 2

2002-07-26 Thread Branden Robinson
and Debian's. I have no fundamental objection to the language you have proposed, but please take my nitpicks into account. :) To be more clear, I do not think the license language you have proposed has any DFSG 3 or DFSG 4 problems. -- G. Branden Robinson|Damnit, we're all going

Re: Concluding the LPPL debate, try 2

2002-07-26 Thread Branden Robinson
their rights to insist that people not distribute a thing that claims to be Standard LaTeX if it is not. But distribution is not use/loading/running. -- G. Branden Robinson| Never underestimate the power of Debian GNU/Linux | human stupidity. [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Towards a new LPPL draft

2002-07-24 Thread Branden Robinson
regard as free. I think a future revision of the DFSG should instead have an adjunct document that contains actual license texts that meet the DFSG. Given the non-free license on the text of the GNU GPL itself, maybe we shouldn't list it. :) -- G. Branden Robinson| If you have

Re: [hpoj-devel] Bug#147430: hpoj: Linking against OpenSSL licens ing modificat ion (GPL)

2002-07-23 Thread Branden Robinson
[sorry for the broad CC] On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 08:05:10PM -0700, PASCHAL,DAVID (HP-Roseville,ex1) wrote: Is this solution OK for everybody? I see nothing objectionable from a DFSG perspective in the language you have proposed. Thanks for working on this issue! -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: Towards a new LPPL draft

2002-07-23 Thread Branden Robinson
that Debian could use in the event we ever needed to change LaTeX. From our perspective, LaTeX would be dual-licensed. That both licenses would be embodied in the same document isn't really important. -- G. Branden Robinson| Communism is just one step on the Debian GNU/Linux

Re: Towards a new LPPL draft

2002-07-23 Thread Branden Robinson
would be glad if you, on the other hand, also discuss a bit more the Concluding debate proposal by Jeff and come to a more firm conclusion. This reply and the previous one are my means of doing so. -- G. Branden Robinson| You don't just decide to break Debian GNU/Linux

Re: Towards a new LPPL draft

2002-07-22 Thread Branden Robinson
encourages all authors not to restrict any files, source or binary, from being modified.) -- G. Branden Robinson|There is no housing shortage in Debian GNU/Linux |Lincoln today -- just a rumor that [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Concluding the debate (was Re: Towards a new LPPL draft)

2002-07-22 Thread Branden Robinson
of the Debian Free Software Guidelines. - Now, I want to hear objections to that statement. Hate to do this to you Jeff, but I cannot agree with you in clear conscience. Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- G. Branden Robinson| What influenced me to atheism was Debian GNU

Re: RealNetworks wants to go open source

2002-07-22 Thread Branden Robinson
violates DFSG 5. It discriminates against people who are not under the jurisdiction of the United States government. -- G. Branden Robinson|I have a truly elegant proof of the Debian GNU/Linux |above, but it is too long to fit [EMAIL PROTECTED

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