Re: [Olga.Caprotti@risc.uni-linz.ac.at: Research Institute for Applications of Computer Algebra: Licenses]

2001-12-05 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Walter Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) IBM is only talking about software patents. I'm willing to concede that software patents constitute a much more direct threat to free software than traditional patents. Why should that matter in

Re: [Olga.Caprotti@risc.uni-linz.ac.at: Research Institute for Applications of Computer Algebra: Licenses]

2001-12-05 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1) IBM is only talking about software patents. I'm willing to concede that software patents constitute a much more direct threat to free software than traditional patents. Why should that matter in your eyes? Because, we're talking about

Re: [Olga.Caprotti@risc.uni-linz.ac.at: Research Institute for Applications of Computer Algebra: Licenses]

2001-12-05 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS [EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't seen anybody accept the license we're talking about here as free. But the IBM licence has been accepted as free, and it seems to be rather similar. I have pointed out the important differences. I can't see a major qualitative

Re: [Olga.Caprotti@risc.uni-linz.ac.at: Research Institute for Applications of Computer Algebra: Licenses]

2001-12-05 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There's at least two important differences: 1) IBM is only talking about software patents. I'm willing to concede that software patents constitute a much more direct threat to free software than traditional patents. 2) The only thing that

Re: [Olga.Caprotti@risc.uni-linz.ac.at: Research Institute for Applications of Computer Algebra: Licenses]

2001-12-05 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have pointed out the important differences. You did indeed list two differences, but did you provide a convincing argument that those differences should be decisive? If it doesn't convince you, I cannot do

[Olga.Caprotti@risc.uni-linz.ac.at: Research Institute for Applications of Computer Algebra: Licenses]

2001-12-04 Thread A Mennucc1
hi I recently got interested in the openmath project www.openmath.org I was talking with a researcher from the RISC institute and she told me they are licensing the Java library for openmath as opensource, but she wanted to be sure if the license is opensource I have read it, but my english

Re: [Olga.Caprotti@risc.uni-linz.ac.at: Research Institute for Applications of Computer Algebra: Licenses]

2001-12-04 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit A Mennucc1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have read it, but my english fails me when it says: 2.1 subject to third party intellectual property claims: (a) under intellectual property rights (other than patent or trademark) Licensable by Initial Developer to use, reproduce,

Re: [Olga.Caprotti@risc.uni-linz.ac.at: Research Institute for Applications of Computer Algebra: Licenses]

2001-12-04 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://crystal.win.tue.nl/license/rpl.html Clause 8.2(b) seems to be a showstopper: | 8.2. If You initiate litigation by asserting a patent infringement | claim (excluding declaratory judgment actions) against Initial Developer | or a Contributor (the

Re: [Olga.Caprotti@risc.uni-linz.ac.at: Research Institute for Applications of Computer Algebra: Licenses]

2001-12-04 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://crystal.win.tue.nl/license/rpl.html Clause 8.2(b) seems to be a showstopper: | 8.2. If You initiate litigation by asserting a patent infringement | claim (excluding declaratory judgment actions)

Re: [Olga.Caprotti@risc.uni-linz.ac.at: Research Institute for Applications of Computer Algebra: Licenses]

2001-12-04 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think the purpose of the clause is not to punish patenteers but to protect the authors. There is no protection to be gained here, unless the authors want protection for their own unlawful patent infringements. Patents that concern the licenced

Re: [Olga.Caprotti@risc.uni-linz.ac.at: Research Institute for Applications of Computer Algebra: Licenses]

2001-12-04 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wrong analogy. The above says that that if you steal somebody's car and they demand it back they lose the right to the software. I think software authors have a right to reject patents and attempt to

Re: [Olga.Caprotti@risc.uni-linz.ac.at: Research Institute for Applications of Computer Algebra: Licenses]

2001-12-04 Thread Walter Landry
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | 8.2. If You initiate litigation by asserting a patent infringement | claim (excluding declaratory judgment actions) against Initial Developer | or a Contributor (the Initial Developer or Contributor against whom | You file such action is referred to

Re: [Olga.Caprotti@risc.uni-linz.ac.at: Research Institute for Applications of Computer Algebra: Licenses]

2001-12-04 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Walter Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | (b) any software, hardware, or device, other than such Participant's | Contributor Version, directly or indirectly infringes any patent, then I would consider that discriminating against a field of

Re: [Olga.Caprotti@risc.uni-linz.ac.at: Research Institute for Applications of Computer Algebra: Licenses]

2001-12-04 Thread Walter Landry
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scripsit Walter Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | (b) any software, hardware, or device, other than such Participant's | Contributor Version, directly or indirectly infringes any patent, then I would

Re: [Olga.Caprotti@risc.uni-linz.ac.at: Research Institute for Applications of Computer Algebra: Licenses]

2001-12-04 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 01:04:20PM -0800, Walter Landry wrote: I'm not actually arguing that these patent agreements are good things. However, the cat is out of the bag, everyone accepts these licenses as free (even the FSF), and I don't think objecting to similar conditions is going to do any