Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2009-01-03 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 01:28:50 +0100 Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mercredi 31 décembre 2008 à 09:15 -0800, Ken Arromdee a écrit : Indeed, but we are not talking of a program but of pictures here. The same applies if you don't provide the source code for the picture. No. If you’re the

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2009-01-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 31 décembre 2008 à 09:15 -0800, Ken Arromdee a écrit : Indeed, but we are not talking of a program but of pictures here. The same applies if you don't provide the source code for the picture. No. If you’re the copyright owner, you get to decide what is the preferred form of

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-31 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 29 décembre 2008 à 10:44 -0800, Ken Arromdee a écrit : On Mon, 29 Dec 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote: More precisely: if you are the copyright owner, you can publish it in whatever format you like, and if under a free license (e.g. the GPL), it will be acceptable for Debian. Say

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-31 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:33:48 +0100 Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 29 décembre 2008 à 10:44 -0800, Ken Arromdee a écrit : [...] If you GPL a program and don't provide source code Indeed, but we are not talking of a program but of pictures here. I am convinced that this distinction is

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-31 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 31 décembre 2008 à 15:50 +0100, Francesco Poli a écrit : Indeed, but we are not talking of a program but of pictures here. I am convinced that this distinction is (almost) irrelevant from the GPL point of view. The relevance comes from the fact that pictures can be their own

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-31 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:09:53 +0100 Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mercredi 31 décembre 2008 à 15:50 +0100, Francesco Poli a écrit : Indeed, but we are not talking of a program but of pictures here. I am convinced that this distinction is (almost) irrelevant from the GPL point of view.

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-31 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote: More precisely: if you are the copyright owner, you can publish it in whatever format you like, and if under a free license (e.g. the GPL), it will be acceptable for Debian. Say what? If you GPL a program and don't provide source code

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-30 Thread MJ Ray
Don Armstrong d...@debian.org wrote: 1: I should note that belittling remarks like Your argument, if it can be called that aren't particularly conducive to polite conversation or indeed any further consideration of this subthread by me. I should note that pontificating about belittling

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-30 Thread Francesco Poli
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:17:51 + Måns Rullgård wrote: [...] I can easily imagine a photograph where the preferred form for modification is the depicted scene itself, rather than its depiction. I am convinced that the depicted scene could possibly be the preferred thing for *re-creating* the

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
t...@thomas-harding.name wrote: Anyway, as the content have slightly changed, you'll find the thread in debian-legal: You should not trust everything you read on debian-legal. * To upload a background source package, is it mandatory to use an uncompressed format, such as tiff, for

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-29 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 29 décembre 2008 à 13:52 +0100, Marco d'Itri a écrit : * To upload a background source package, is it mandatory to use an uncompressed format, such as tiff, for photographies, or a E.g. this is bullshit. More precisely: if you are the copyright owner, you can publish it in

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-29 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote: More precisely: if you are the copyright owner, you can publish it in whatever format you like, and if under a free license (e.g. the GPL), it will be acceptable for Debian. Say what? If you GPL a program and don't provide source code, Debian

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-29 Thread Måns Rullgård
Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net writes: On Mon, 29 Dec 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote: More precisely: if you are the copyright owner, you can publish it in whatever format you like, and if under a free license (e.g. the GPL), it will be acceptable for Debian. Say what? If you GPL a program

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-29 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:20:02 +0100 Thomas Harding wrote: [...] * To upload a background source package, is it mandatory to use an uncompressed format, such as tiff, for photographies, or a high-res jpeg format, which is now commonly used by digital cameras and well-handled by

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-29 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008, Måns Rullgård wrote: More precisely, Debian has the right to distribute such a work, but chooses not to do so. If a work is GPLed and we do not have the complete source for the work, we cannot distribute it under the GPL. [For non-copyleft works, however, your statement is

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-29 Thread Ben Finney
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: More precisely: if you are the copyright owner, you can publish it in whatever format you like, and if under a free license (e.g. the GPL), it will be acceptable for Debian. Even more precisely: The work is only redistributable under the GPL if you

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-29 Thread Måns Rullgård
Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: On Mon, 29 Dec 2008, Måns Rullgård wrote: More precisely, Debian has the right to distribute such a work, but chooses not to do so. If a work is GPLed and we do not have the complete source for the work, we cannot distribute it under the GPL. If the

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-29 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Måns Rullgård wrote: Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: On Mon, 29 Dec 2008, Måns Rullgård wrote: More precisely, Debian has the right to distribute such a work, but chooses not to do so. If a work is GPLed and we do not have the complete source for the work,

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-29 Thread Måns Rullgård
Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Måns Rullgård wrote: Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: On Mon, 29 Dec 2008, Måns Rullgård wrote: More precisely, Debian has the right to distribute such a work, but chooses not to do so. If a work is GPLed and we do not

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-29 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Måns Rullgård wrote: Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: If we don't have the corresponding source, we can't satisfy the GPL, so we cannot distribute (GPLv2 §4, GPLv3 §8). Your argument, if it can be called that, assumes that the requirements of the GPL, or any

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-29 Thread Ben Finney
Måns Rullgård m...@mansr.com writes: Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: Under GPL v3, when we convey a work in a non-source form, we must satisfy all of 6d. That requires making the Corresponding Source available, which we cannot. Under GPL v2, we distribute under 3(a), and that

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-28 Thread Thomas Harding
On 24/Dec - 11:16, Paul Wise wrote: Firstly, -curiosa is the wrong list for your post, see the description here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-curiosa/ Ooops... I expected unexpected things, not funny ones, sorry! I suppose a better place had been debian-desktop. Anyway, as the content have

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-28 Thread Paul Wise
This whole topic is very debatable (I suggest not doing that though, Debian produces enough long threads). I would suggest doing what you think is best and getting that uploaded to Debian. If the ftp-masters reject that, you can improve it and re-upload until they accept it. -- bye, pabs