is RtMidi license DFSG-free?

2010-10-17 Thread Miriam Ruiz
Hi all, I'm thinking about building a package for RtMidi [1], as I'm developing a package of a software that embeds it, and already found some other packages in the archive doing it. I'm not very keen on having duplicated code around. In any case, the license [2], a custom licensed based on MIT,

Re: is RtMidi license DFSG-free?

2010-10-17 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 16:51:28 +0200 Miriam Ruiz wrote: Hi all, Hi Miriam! I'm thinking about building a package for RtMidi [1], as I'm developing a package of a software that embeds it, and already found some other packages in the archive doing it. I'm not very keen on having duplicated

Re: is RtMidi license DFSG-free?

2010-10-17 Thread MJ Ray
Miriam Ruiz wrote: Especially this part: Any person wishing to distribute modifications to the Software is requested to send the modifications to the original developer so that they can be incorporated into the canonical version., can it be considered DFSG-free? It looks like a request not a

Re: Is IPA Font license DFSG-Free?

2009-06-05 Thread Hideki Yamane
Hi Josselin, On Sun, 31 May 2009 19:00:13 +0200 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: Otherwise, it’s a simple license with a strong copyleft, which should be fine for Debian. Okay, thanks for your comment, I'll put it into main :) -- Regards, Hideki Yamane henrich @

Re: Is IPA Font license DFSG-Free?

2009-06-05 Thread Alexander Cherepanov
Hello, Dmitrijs! You wrote to debian-legal@lists.debian.org on Sun, 31 May 2009 18:58:04 +0100: 2009/5/31 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org: Le dimanche 31 mai 2009 ? 20:52 +0900, Hideki Yamane a ?crit : ÿI've ITPed IPAfont as otf-ipafont package. ÿYou can see its license at

Re: Is IPA Font license DFSG-Free?

2009-06-03 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message 1243789213.18376.224.ca...@tomoyo, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes Le dimanche 31 mai 2009 à 20:52 +0900, Hideki Yamane a écrit : I've ITPed IPAfont as otf-ipafont package. You can see its license at http://www.opensource.org/licenses/ipafont.html Please give me your

Is IPA Font license DFSG-Free?

2009-05-31 Thread Hideki Yamane
Hi, I've ITPed IPAfont as otf-ipafont package. Its license, IPA Font License is OSI approved, but it doesn't mean equal to DFSG-Free. So, I'd like to ask you it is DFSG-Free or not. It is TeX-like license and has some restriction for use its name for derivatives and how to deal with

Re: Is IPA Font license DFSG-Free?

2009-05-31 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 31 mai 2009 à 20:52 +0900, Hideki Yamane a écrit : I've ITPed IPAfont as otf-ipafont package. You can see its license at http://www.opensource.org/licenses/ipafont.html Please give me your feedback (Please add CC to me). Thanks. The only things that looks suspicious are the

Re: Is IPA Font license DFSG-Free?

2009-05-31 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
2009/5/31 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org: Le dimanche 31 mai 2009 à 20:52 +0900, Hideki Yamane a écrit :  I've ITPed IPAfont as otf-ipafont package.  You can see its license at http://www.opensource.org/licenses/ipafont.html  Please give me your feedback (Please add CC to me). Thanks. The

Is the Simple Library Usage License DFSG-free?

2008-10-29 Thread Dominique Belhachemi
Dear list members, I am working on packaging a library for Debian. The library uses the Simple Library Usage License [1]. The license is based on the wxWindows Library Licence [2]. But there are differences in the exception notice (point 2). Is the license DFSG-free

Re: Is the Simple Library Usage License DFSG-free?

2008-10-29 Thread Andreas Bombe
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 03:35:02PM +0100, Dominique Belhachemi wrote: --- Simple Library Usage License Version 1, Nov 6 2005 Copyright (c) 2005 Gordon Kindlmann

Re: is the lucent public license DFSG-free?

2007-10-06 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 05 octobre 2007 à 01:10 +0200, Francesco Poli a écrit : On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:38:56 +0200 Josselin Mouette wrote: Le samedi 22 septembre 2007 à 13:18 +0200, Florian Weimer a écrit : The whole license is CPL-based. Indeed. I guess that settles the issue. I have to

Re: is the lucent public license DFSG-free?

2007-10-04 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:38:56 +0200 Josselin Mouette wrote: Le samedi 22 septembre 2007 à 13:18 +0200, Florian Weimer a écrit : The whole license is CPL-based. Indeed. I guess that settles the issue. I have to disagree. Unfortunately I do not have the time to do a detailed license

Re: is the lucent public license DFSG-free?

2007-09-23 Thread MJ Ray
Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 04:52:46PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Patent retaliation clause, applicable to patents unrelated to the software. IIRC this was already declared non-free. Comments from other on this? /me hoping your memory is faulty

Re: is the lucent public license DFSG-free?

2007-09-22 Thread Florian Weimer
* Josselin Mouette: 8. GENERAL If Recipient institutes patent litigation against a Contributor with respect to a patent applicable to software (including a cross-claim or counterclaim in a lawsuit), then any patent licenses granted by that Contributor to such Recipient under this Agreement

Re: is the lucent public license DFSG-free?

2007-09-22 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 22 septembre 2007 à 13:18 +0200, Florian Weimer a écrit : The whole license is CPL-based. Indeed. I guess that settles the issue. -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code. `. `' We will add your hardware and software distinctiveness to

Re: is the lucent public license DFSG-free?

2007-09-22 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 02:38:56PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: The whole license is CPL-based. Indeed. I guess that settles the issue. Many thanks guys then! Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli -*- PhD in Computer Science ... now what? [EMAIL PROTECTED],debian.org,bononia.it} -%-

Re: is the lucent public license DFSG-free?

2007-09-22 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 22 septembre 2007 à 12:06 -0400, Joe Smith a écrit : I'm not sure I understand what this clause means. What if there is no jury for the trial? All this means is that should a trial arise, neither side will request a jury to decide the questions of Fact. If no jury is requested,

Re: is the lucent public license DFSG-free?

2007-09-21 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 04:52:46PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Short summary, two potential freeness issues: * the contributor indemnification clause, * the patent retaliation clause. Thanks Josselin and Ben for the replies so far. This clause is really borderline. It could be

is the lucent public license DFSG-free?

2007-09-20 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
[ please cc-me on replies, I'm not subscribed, thanks! ] Hi guys, I'm considering packaging Galax [1], which is licensed under the terms of the Lucent Public License Version 1.0 [2]. Is that license considered DFSG-free? AFAICT it is DFSG-free. Besides it is also OSI approved (though I haven't

Re: is the lucent public license DFSG-free?

2007-09-20 Thread Ben Finney
Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [ please cc-me on replies, I'm not subscribed, thanks! ] Done. Hi guys, I'm considering packaging Galax [1], which is licensed under the terms of the Lucent Public License Version 1.0 [2]. Is that license considered DFSG-free? Unlike the OSI, we

Re: is the lucent public license DFSG-free?

2007-09-20 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [ please cc-me on replies, I'm not subscribed, thanks! ] Done. = Lucent Public License Version 1.0 ... 2. GRANT OF RIGHTS a.Subject to the terms of this Agreement, each Contributor hereby grants

Re: is the lucent public license DFSG-free?

2007-09-20 Thread Josselin Mouette
Short summary, two potential freeness issues: * the contributor indemnification clause, * the patent retaliation clause. Le vendredi 21 septembre 2007 à 00:03 +1000, Ben Finney a écrit : 2. GRANT OF RIGHTS This section is OK. 3. REQUIREMENTS B. Each Distributor must include

Is this license DFSG Free ?

2007-05-07 Thread Arthur Loiret
Hi, I'm packaging luabind for debian but I have a license with the doc/luabind-logo-label.ps : in the comments of this file we can see : %-- % % Copyright (C) 1998-2000. All rights reserved. % Graphic design by Alexandre

Re: Is this license DFSG Free ?

2007-05-07 Thread ajdlinux
On 5/7/07, Arthur Loiret [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % * The only modification you can make is to adapt the orbiting text to % your product name. % % * The logo can be used in any scale as long as the relative proportions % of its elements are maintained. Non-free. -- Andrew Donnellan

Re: Is this license DFSG Free ?

2007-05-07 Thread Ben Finney
Arthur Loiret [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: % Permission is hereby granted, without written agreement and without license % or royalty fees, to use, copy, and distribute this logo for any purpose, % including commercial applications, subject to the following conditions: [...] % * The only

Re: Is this license DFSG Free ?

2007-05-07 Thread Arthur Loiret
Thanks a lot all, I'm going to remove this file from the package now. Have a nice day, Arthur. Le lundi 07 mai 2007 à 17:28 +1000, Ben Finney a écrit : Arthur Loiret [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: % Permission is hereby granted, without written agreement and without license % or royalty

Re: Bioapi license DFSG free ?

2005-12-17 Thread Arnaud Fontaine
Francesco == Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Francesco What you posted is the 3-clause BSD license (just with Francesco the name of the copyright holder substituted, compare Francesco with /usr/share/common-licenses/BSD). It's perfectly Francesco fine (software released

Re: Bioapi license DFSG free ?

2005-12-17 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:40:11 +0100 Arnaud Fontaine wrote: [...] Actually, could be possible to add this package to main ? If * the package is entirely released solely under the license you posted * the package's source code is available * there are no other legal issues (such as actively

Re: Bioapi license DFSG free ?

2005-12-17 Thread Arnaud Fontaine
Hello, With this kind of license, all the GPL'ed software that using this API (for instance pam-bioapi which is using bioapi) should have : Specific permission is granted for the GPLed code in this distribition to be linked to BioAPI without invoking GPL clause 2(b). in the copyright file in

Re: Bioapi license DFSG free ?

2005-12-17 Thread Josh Triplett
Arnaud Fontaine wrote: With this kind of license, all the GPL'ed software that using this API (for instance pam-bioapi which is using bioapi) should have : Specific permission is granted for the GPLed code in this distribition to be linked to BioAPI without invoking GPL clause 2(b). in

Re: Bioapi license DFSG free ?

2005-12-16 Thread Francesco Poli
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:31:05 +0100 Arnaud Fontaine wrote: Hello, I would like to know if the license below is DFSG free, i have some doubt about that and i would like to know in order to do the ITP on bioapi framework. What you posted is the 3-clause BSD license (just with the name of the

Is the Smithsonian Institution Copyright License DFSG-Free?

2005-11-09 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello good people-- I'm considering ITP'ing CIAO [0], but before i look into it further, i wanted to get this community's advice on its freeness. I wasn't able to find any prior discussion of CIAO within debian, but if i missed something, please let

Re: Is the Smithsonian Institution Copyright License DFSG-Free?

2005-11-09 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:54:58 -0500 Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: [...] Hello good people-- Hi! :) I'm considering ITP'ing CIAO [0], but before i look into it further, i wanted to get this community's advice on its freeness. Good. [...] The only other debian reference to this license i've

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-18 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 01:24:55 -0400 Glenn Maynard wrote: (For what it's worth, I value being able to be anonymous, but don't actually want to *be* anonymous. That is, I attach my name to what I say and create; I hold people who post and code anonymously in question--do they consider what

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-17 Thread Claus Färber
Sean Kellogg [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb/wrote: The setence is ambigous if broken down sufficiently. However, if the Anthony's language is sufficient, it strikes me that the GPL is way too verbose. All you would need the GPL to say to require such a limited changelog would be provide a notice

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-16 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 09:15:06AM -0700, Sean Kellogg wrote: But the two have substantially different meenings... like, seriously substantial. Use is not a well defined term in the Copyright statute and control of use is generally accepted to be beyond the exclusive rights granted under

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-16 Thread Dave Hornford
Glenn Maynard wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 09:44:55PM -0700, Sean Kellogg wrote: Given that we are all concerned about copyrights and having proof that the code is free and not ripped off from SCO or whoever, identification seems to be a worthy goal of free software, which must be

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-15 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jun 11, 2005 at 07:17:38PM -0700, Sean Kellogg wrote: On Saturday 11 June 2005 05:10 pm, Måns Rullgård wrote: Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sean Kellogg wrote: You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices stating that you changed the files and the

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-15 Thread Sean Kellogg
On Wednesday 15 June 2005 01:43 pm, David Starner wrote: It is discrimination only if it relates to an intrinsic quality of an individual or group, like you cannot use this software if you are black or you cannot use this software if you are the military. But not you cannot use this

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-15 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In both cases, the Courts have said yes, it is text book descrimination. A group of people is being treated differently than others. However, the Court says that while it is descrimination, it is not prohibited descrimination. The law itself is facially neutral and

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-15 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 03:18:39PM -0700, Sean Kellogg wrote: In both cases, the Courts have said yes, it is text book descrimination. A group of people is being treated differently than others. However, the Court says that while it is descrimination, it is not prohibited descrimination.

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-15 Thread Sean Kellogg
On Wednesday 15 June 2005 07:41 pm, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 03:18:39PM -0700, Sean Kellogg wrote: In both cases, the Courts have said yes, it is text book descrimination. A group of people is being treated differently than others. However, the Court says that while it

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-14 Thread Daniel Stone
On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 04:59:17AM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote: On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 16:57 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I, OTOH, do not believe that this is an unreasonable interpretation of DFSG 5. Why should you exclude from the Free Software process people

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-13 Thread Humberto Massa Guimarães
* Sean Kellogg :: On Saturday 11 June 2005 01:51 pm, Joe Smith wrote: flexability, but can you point to the particular clause that you feel hints at this sort of a requirement/prohibition? Nope, I can only give you a link but as I understand it the tests are commonly used.

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-13 Thread Humberto Massa Guimarães
* Sean Kellogg :: On Saturday 11 June 2005 03:21 pm, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: Sean Kellogg wrote: Well now, this strikes me as a problem from a political science perspective (my undergrad degree). Debian-legal, a self-appointed group of various legal, political, an

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-13 Thread Humberto Massa Guimarães
* Marco :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It blatently fails DFSG 5, because the person modifying the software may not have internet access for emailing the changes. (Think perhaps a developing nation.) I still do not believe that this is discrimination against persons or groups. This is an

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-13 Thread Evan Prodromou
On Sat, 2005-11-06 at 19:12 -0700, Sean Kellogg wrote: The Initial Developer will be acting as the maintainer of the Source Code. You must notify the Initial Developer of any modification which You create or to which You contribute, [...] This goes against the Freedom 3 of the

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-13 Thread Evan Prodromou
On Sat, 2005-11-06 at 14:09 -0700, Sean Kellogg wrote: Debian-legal, a self-appointed group of various legal, political, an philosophical stripes, is making substantive policy decisions based on thin air? Pretty much, yes. The decision-making power eventually lies with ftp-masters, but AFAIK

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-13 Thread Humberto Massa Guimarães
* Marco :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still do not believe that this is discrimination against persons or groups. This is an unreasonable interpretation of the original meaning of DFSG.5. I, OTOH, do not believe that this is an unreasonable interpretation of DFSG 5. Why should you

RES: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-13 Thread Humberto Massa Guimarães
* Sean Kellogg :: On Saturday 11 June 2005 05:10 pm, Måns Rullgård wrote: Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sean Kellogg wrote: You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices stating that you changed the files and the date of any change. Doesn't this

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-12 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It blatently fails DFSG 5, because the person modifying the software may not have internet access for emailing the changes. (Think perhaps a developing nation.) I still do not believe that this is discrimination against persons or groups. This is an unreasonable

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-12 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, I can only give you a link but as I understand it the tests are commonly used. http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html You do not understand correctly. This FAQ is merely the opinion of a few debian-legal contributors, is not widely accepted and is by no

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-12 Thread MJ Ray
Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The choice-of-venue makes it *non-free*. There is no consensus about this, many people have no complaints about choice of venue. ..and there I was thinking that we needed consensus to say that something is free, too. I consider

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-12 Thread MJ Ray
Sean Kellogg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well now, this strikes me as a problem from a political science=20 perspective (my undergrad degree). Debian-legal, a self-appointed group of= You have written self-appointed. That is incorrect. debian-legal is not a delegated or appointed post.

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-12 Thread MJ Ray
Sean Kellogg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, that's certainly a great deal better, structurally. I guess I've nev= er=20 really seen any ftp-master discussion on this list... but then again, I=20 don't know their names, so I wouldn't really know who was who. But at leas= t=20 there is some

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-12 Thread Sean Kellogg
On Sunday 12 June 2005 12:19 am, Wei Mingzhi wrote: A free software license should not require any modifications to be submitted to the initial developer. This doesn't seem to allow releasing my modified code _myself_ without submitting it to anyone, only the initial developer can do so.

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-11 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The choice-of-venue makes it *non-free*. There is no consensus about this, many people have no complaints about choice of venue. UNFREE: fails Desert Island test. This is not relevant, because this test is not based on the DFSG so it cannot make a license to be non-free.

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-11 Thread Joe Smith
UNFREE: fails Desert Island test. This is not relevant, because this test is not based on the DFSG so it cannot make a license to be non-free. This requirement all fails the dissident test. Quote fom the faq: a.. The Dissident test. Consider a dissident in a totalitarian state who wishes to

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-11 Thread Sean Kellogg
On Saturday 11 June 2005 11:03 am, Joe Smith wrote: a.. The Dissident test. Consider a dissident in a totalitarian state who wishes to share a modified bit of software with fellow dissidents, but does not wish to reveal the identity of the modifier, or *directly reveal the modifications

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-11 Thread Joe Smith
If this is actually a test that licenses must pass to be considered DFSG, how exactly does the GPL survive the test? Section 2, clause a of the GPL reads, You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices stating that you changed the files and the date of any change. Doesn't this

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-11 Thread Sean Kellogg
On Saturday 11 June 2005 01:51 pm, Joe Smith wrote: flexability, but can you point to the particular clause that you feel hints at this sort of a requirement/prohibition? Nope, I can only give you a link but as I understand it the tests are commonly used.

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-11 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Sean Kellogg wrote: Well now, this strikes me as a problem from a political science perspective (my undergrad degree). Debian-legal, a self-appointed group of various legal, political, an philosophical stripes, is making substantive policy decisions based on thin air? No.

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-11 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Sean Kellogg wrote: You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices stating that you changed the files and the date of any change. Doesn't this violate the Dissident test and cause troubles for our poor totalitarian state citizen? No, because the following statement is allowed

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-11 Thread Wei Mingzhi
It's not a free software license because of this one. 4. Initial Developer as Maintainer of Source Code The Initial Developer will be acting as the maintainer of the Source Code. You must notify the Initial Developer of any modification which You create or to which You contribute, except

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-11 Thread Måns Rullgård
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sean Kellogg wrote: You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices stating that you changed the files and the date of any change. Doesn't this violate the Dissident test and cause troubles for our poor totalitarian state citizen?

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-11 Thread Sean Kellogg
On Saturday 11 June 2005 04:58 pm, Wei Mingzhi wrote: It's not a free software license because of this one. 4. Initial Developer as Maintainer of Source Code The Initial Developer will be acting as the maintainer of the Source Code. You must notify the Initial Developer of any

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-11 Thread Sean Kellogg
On Saturday 11 June 2005 05:10 pm, Måns Rullgård wrote: Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sean Kellogg wrote: You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices stating that you changed the files and the date of any change. Doesn't this violate the Dissident test and

Re: Is this license DFSG free?

2005-06-11 Thread Sean Kellogg
On Saturday 11 June 2005 03:21 pm, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: Sean Kellogg wrote: Well now, this strikes me as a problem from a political science perspective (my undergrad degree). Debian-legal, a self-appointed group of various legal, political, an philosophical stripes, is making

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-09-03 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Jakob Bohm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes (quoting the Sun RPC license): but are not authorized to license or distribute it to anyone else except as part of a product or program developed by the user. I

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-09-02 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Jakob Bohm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes (quoting the Sun RPC license): but are not authorized to license or distribute it to anyone else except as part of a product or program developed by the user. I interpret that to mean that once the RPC code has

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-31 Thread Jakob Bohm
IANAL, TINLA, IANADD But here is my blow by blow interpretation, which makes glibc DFSG free. On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 06:39:47AM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote: Copyright (C) 1984, Sun Microsystems, Inc. Sun RPC is a product of Sun Microsystems, Inc. and is

Re: Bug#181493: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-26 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 03:10:35PM -0400, Joe Drew wrote: On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 14:26, Branden Robinson wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 09:03:13AM -0400, Joe Drew wrote: On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 17:03, Branden Robinson wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 11:39:51AM -0700, Jeff Bailey wrote:

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-26 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 02:05:57PM -0400, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Sun has repeatedly clarified elsewhere that the intent of this is essentially MIT/X11, except you may not distribute this product alone. Got any citations? The license certainly

Re: Bug#181493: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-25 Thread Joe Drew
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 17:03, Branden Robinson wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 11:39:51AM -0700, Jeff Bailey wrote: We also have essentially the same license with ttf-bitstream-vera. IMO, that isn't Free Software, either. There are no practical restrictions on its freedom; I fail to see how

Re: Bug#181493: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-25 Thread Joe Drew
On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 14:26, Branden Robinson wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 09:03:13AM -0400, Joe Drew wrote: On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 17:03, Branden Robinson wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 11:39:51AM -0700, Jeff Bailey wrote: We also have essentially the same license with

Re: Bug#181493: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 11:39:51AM -0700, Jeff Bailey wrote: We also have essentially the same license with ttf-bitstream-vera. IMO, that isn't Free Software, either. -- G. Branden Robinson| One doesn't have a sense of humor. Debian GNU/Linux | It has

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 02:05:57PM -0400, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Sun has repeatedly clarified elsewhere that the intent of this is essentially MIT/X11, except you may not distribute this product alone. Got any citations? The license certainly doesn't *read* like MIT/X11, except you may not

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-23 Thread Joe Drew
On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 17:28, Branden Robinson wrote: Users may copy or modify Sun RPC without charge, but are not authorized to license or distribute it to anyone else except as part of a product or program developed by the

Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-22 Thread Brian M. Carlson
reopen 181493 ! thanks For the debian-legal people, this is the controversy at hand: Sun RPC code is included as part of glibc. The license, which is included below, prohibits distribution of the original code under its original terms, which would make the license non-free. Including non-free

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-22 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 06:39:47AM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote: Sun RPC is a product of Sun Microsystems, Inc. and is provided for unrestricted use provided that this legend is included on all tape media and as a part of the software

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-22 Thread Florian Weimer
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 06:39:47AM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote: Sun RPC is a product of Sun Microsystems, Inc. and is provided for unrestricted use provided that this legend is included on all tape media and as a part

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-22 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Brian M. Carlson wrote: Copyright (C) 1984, Sun Microsystems, Inc. Users may copy or modify Sun RPC without charge, but are not authorized to license or distribute it to anyone else except as part of a product or program

Re: Bug#181493: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-22 Thread Jeff Bailey
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 02:05:57PM -0400, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Has anybody asked Sun for a clarification of the license, or tried to obtain the code under a different license? Or maybe the FSF has obtained a suitable license and just forgot to update the copyright notice? Sun has

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-22 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 02:05:57PM -0400, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Sun has repeatedly clarified elsewhere that the intent of this is essentially MIT/X11, except you may not distribute this product alone. That cuts out everything but the GPL/LGPL incompatibility problem, which remains a sticking

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 06:39:47AM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote: Copyright (C) 1984, Sun Microsystems, Inc. Sun RPC is a product of Sun Microsystems, Inc. and is provided for unrestricted use provided that this legend is included on all tape media

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-22 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copyright (C) 1984, Sun Microsystems, Inc. Users may copy or modify Sun RPC without charge, but are not authorized to license or distribute it to anyone else except as part of a product or program developed by

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-22 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copyright (C) 1984, Sun Microsystems, Inc. Users may copy or modify Sun RPC without charge, but are not authorized to license or distribute it to anyone else except as

Re: Is this license DFSG-free, part 2 - Word from upstream

2003-05-27 Thread Nicolas Kratz
On Mon, May 26, 2003 at 01:36:22PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: Nicolas Kratz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: *groan* I have sent upstream a mail, explaining the nonfreeness of the software and suggesting to use GPL, BSD or Artistic License. The original answer is below. It translates to:

Re: Is this license DFSG-free, part 2 - Word from upstream

2003-05-27 Thread Dylan Thurston
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nicolas Kratz wrote: OK, I'm dropping this. I don't see any way to get upstream to release the software under a free license, as the copyright holder is indeed not the author, but the university. You shouldn't necessarily give up, if the upstream author (the

Re: Is this license DFSG-free, part 2 - Word from upstream

2003-05-26 Thread Florian Weimer
Nicolas Kratz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: *groan* I have sent upstream a mail, explaining the nonfreeness of the software and suggesting to use GPL, BSD or Artistic License. The original answer is below. It translates to: Professor phoned author, and they say: It's OK to build on top of our

Re: Is this license DFSG-free, part 2 - Word from upstream

2003-05-21 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 11:45:36AM +1200, Adam Warner wrote: Note that relicensing software under a different licence that you have merely repackaged is not considered good form. It's not just bad form. It's not even valid if one has not made any original contributions to the work. Matthew

Re: Is this license DFSG-free?

2003-05-20 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 03:22:27AM +0200, Nicolas Kratz wrote: On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 12:22:31PM +1200, Adam Warner wrote: There is a very simple rule of thumb you haven't grokked: If you haven't been granted the permission to do something covered by copyright law in the licence then you

Re: Is this license DFSG-free?

2003-05-20 Thread Nicolas Kratz
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 02:35:15AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Please do not discourage people from using this list for one of its intended purposes. If I can be discouraged from posting by a well-deserved smack, I don't belong here. If you feel this person should not have passed the

Re: Is this license DFSG-free?

2003-05-20 Thread Adam Warner
Hi Branden Robinson, On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 03:22:27AM +0200, Nicolas Kratz wrote: On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 12:22:31PM +1200, Adam Warner wrote: There is a very simple rule of thumb you haven't grokked: If you haven't been granted the permission to do something covered by copyright law in

Re: Is this license DFSG-free?

2003-05-20 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:27:41PM +1200, Adam Warner wrote: This is a good clarification. However if you recheck what I wrote above you'll see I specifically mentioned permission to do something covered by copyright law. I had in mind the activities covered by copyright law like distribution

Is this license DFSG-free, part 2 - Word from upstream

2003-05-20 Thread Nicolas Kratz
Hi again. *groan* I have sent upstream a mail, explaining the nonfreeness of the software and suggesting to use GPL, BSD or Artistic License. The original answer is below. It translates to: Professor phoned author, and they say: It's OK to build on top of our work. Regard the software as

Re: Is this license DFSG-free, part 2 - Word from upstream

2003-05-20 Thread Adam Warner
Hi Nicolas Kratz, Hi again. *groan* I have sent upstream a mail, explaining the nonfreeness of the software and suggesting to use GPL, BSD or Artistic License. The original answer is below. It translates to: Professor phoned author, and they say: It's OK to build on top of our work. Regard

Is this license DFSG-free?

2003-05-16 Thread Nicolas Kratz
Hello, world. I am thinking about packaging a Java BDD tool called (of all things) jade[1]. Before I venture further, can someone enlighten me about the freeness of the attached license? It only talks about distribution, nothing about derived works. And it looks like it was taken from the

Re: Is this license DFSG-free?

2003-05-16 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 07:47:17PM +0200, Nicolas Kratz wrote: Distribution You can freely redistritbute this software as long as all files are included. The files in this package are This is freeware; it is acutely non-free (why do you even have to ask?). -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux **

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