Re: NetBeans ITP [was Re: CDDL]

2006-12-05 Thread MJ Ray
\Anthony W. Youngman\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] And what happens if you DON'T have a place in common where you trade? [...] I don't know and it sounds like a common case in this global software distribution game. I just tried to add a trackback to this thread from the previously-cited article and was

Re: NetBeans ITP [was Re: CDDL]

2006-12-05 Thread Tom Marble
MJ Ray wrote: I just tried to add a trackback to this thread from the previously-cited article and was told 'ERROR: Comments and Trackbacks are disabled for the entry you specified.' Clearly comments are enabled, as a comment appears on that page. I'll try a cc on this mail, but I feel Sun

Re: NetBeans ITP [was Re: CDDL]

2006-12-05 Thread MJ Ray
Tom Marble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Simon's blog entry is from a while ago, so yes the comments are closed. Radical interface design idea: why not remove the links instead of letting people waste time sending to an error-bouncer? But you can comment here, send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and/or

Re: NetBeans ITP [was Re: CDDL]

2006-12-04 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Tom Marble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed allow me to appeal to everyone to reconsider CDDL *as is* given the clarification that Simon has provided in this regard [1]. In essence, this is the same claim we have heard before: If,

Re: NetBeans ITP [was Re: CDDL]

2006-12-03 Thread Loïc Minier
Hi, On Sat, Dec 02, 2006, Tom Marble wrote: Once the the full JVM is available under GPL then running applications on top of it *are* compatible with any license as this was the specific rationale for adding the Classpath exception [1]. I think it can even go in contrib if it ends up

Re: NetBeans ITP [was Re: CDDL]

2006-12-03 Thread MJ Ray
Tom Marble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed allow me to appeal to everyone to reconsider CDDL *as is* given the clarification that Simon has provided in this regard [1]. In essence, this is the same claim we have heard before: If, however, you are an individual, or a company that trades in

Re: NetBeans ITP [was Re: CDDL]

2006-12-03 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:01:08 + (UTC) Mark Wielaard wrote: The FAQ even says: Q: How does this announcement affect Java EE? A: Sun's implementation of Java EE 5 has been available as open-source under the CDDL license through the GlassFish Community since June of 2005. In order to gain

NetBeans ITP [was Re: CDDL]

2006-12-02 Thread Tom Marble
Marco d'Itri wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I watched Sun's Simon Phipps' talk at debconf 2006 few weeks ago. It was mentioned that the choice of venue was useless and would be removed from CDDL, thus making CDDL DSFG-compliant. There is no consensus that choice of venue clauses are not

Re: NetBeans ITP [was Re: CDDL]

2006-12-02 Thread Jérôme Marant
Le samedi 02 décembre 2006 18:18, Tom Marble a écrit : Marco d'Itri wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I watched Sun's Simon Phipps' talk at debconf 2006 few weeks ago. It was mentioned that the choice of venue was useless and would be removed from CDDL, thus making CDDL DSFG-compliant.

Re: NetBeans ITP [was Re: CDDL]

2006-12-02 Thread Mark Wielaard
Tom Marble Tom.Marble at Sun.COM writes: Until very, very recently this hasn't even been possible as we are fully aware that NetBeans has had various non-free dependencies (which would have blocked it's inclusion in main). Thus the primary rationale for liberating javac and JavaHelp as part

Re: NetBeans ITP [was Re: CDDL]

2006-12-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 02 décembre 2006 à 11:18 -0600, Tom Marble a écrit : Why is this important? Because Sun has several software projects that are licensed under CDDL that we would really, really like accepted into Debian. The key example is our NetBeans IDE. The purpose of packaging NetBeans for

Re: NetBeans ITP [was Re: CDDL]

2006-12-02 Thread Tom Marble
Josselin Mouette wrote: Please note that we don't accept software in Debian just because it is useful, but also because it is free. Understood. That said, I agree with some of the arguments given about the choice-of-venue clause. It is a bad clause, but I don't think it makes a piece of