Re: Nuitka - GPLv3 plus contribution copyright assignment

2012-01-06 Thread Kay Hayen
Am 06.01.2012 05:14, schrieb Ben Finney: Kay Hayenkayha...@gmx.de writes: I want everybody to receive under GPLv3 and then to contribute back by default under GPLv3 and Apache license 2.0, or optionally under GPLv3 only. At whose option? The contributor option of course. If the

Re: Nuitka - GPLv3 plus contribution copyright assignment

2012-01-06 Thread Tanguy Ortolo
Kay Hayen, 2012-01-06 11:27+0100: I would expect, and encourage, people to fork the work and maintain it with the same license for all parties, without any such contributor agreement. I would normally agree with such stance. But why would one have the goal to keep Nuitka under GPLv3 for

Re: Nuitka - GPLv3 plus contribution copyright assignment

2012-01-06 Thread Kay Hayen
Hello Tanguy, thanks for your response, you wrote: I would expect, and encourage, people to fork the work and maintain it with the same license for all parties, without any such contributor agreement. I would normally agree with such stance. But why would one have the goal to keep Nuitka

Nuitka - GPLv3 plus contribution copyright assignment

2012-01-05 Thread Kay Hayen
Hello everybody, I am a happy Debian user ever since Potato, and I am the author and therefore potentially upstream of Nuitka, a Python compiler project of mine. I am also aiming to become the Debian Maintainer for it. I have created a package for Nuitka and it has technically evolved to

Re: Nuitka - GPLv3 plus contribution copyright assignment

2012-01-05 Thread MJ Ray
Kay Hayen kayha...@gmx.de // This code is in part copyright Kay Hayen, license GPLv3. This has the consequence that // your must either obtain a commercial license or also publish your original source code // under the same license unless you don't distribute this source or its binary. I

Re: Nuitka - GPLv3 plus contribution copyright assignment

2012-01-05 Thread Kay Hayen
Hello MJ, Am 05.01.2012 12:41, schrieb MJ Ray: // This code is in part copyright Kay Hayen, license GPLv3. This has the consequence that // your must either obtain a commercial license or also publish your original source code // under the same license unless you don't distribute this source

Re: Nuitka - GPLv3 plus contribution copyright assignment

2012-01-05 Thread Ben Finney
Kay Hayen kayha...@gmx.de writes: First my intent: I believe intent matters in copyright. Please do not discuss if my intent is good or bad, or if my approach will be effective or not for a project. Please don't attempt to set rules forbidding discussion of your intent and approach. If it's

Re: Nuitka - GPLv3 plus contribution copyright assignment

2012-01-05 Thread Kay Hayen
Hello Ben, you wrote: Am 05.01.2012 13:39, schrieb Ben Finney: Kay Hayenkayha...@gmx.de writes: First my intent: I believe intent matters in copyright. Please do not discuss if my intent is good or bad, or if my approach will be effective or not for a project. Please don't attempt to set

Re: Nuitka - GPLv3 plus contribution copyright assignment

2012-01-05 Thread Christofer C. Bell
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Kay Hayen kayha...@gmx.de wrote: Hello Tanguy,     Although you are free to sell this program according to the terms of     the GPLv3, I would not like that, and this is why I chose this     license, that should make most attempts of doing so non-viable.    

Re: Nuitka - GPLv3 plus contribution copyright assignment

2012-01-05 Thread Kay Hayen
Hello Christofer, The interesting part is contribution copyright assignment. I actually do _not_ want Nuitka to have to stay GPLv3 when it's ready. Then I _definitely_ want it to have another license, with ASF2.0 being the current front runner. I'm not a fan of copyright assignment, and

Re: Nuitka - GPLv3 plus contribution copyright assignment

2012-01-05 Thread Tanguy Ortolo
Christofer C. Bell, 2012-01-05 17:18+0100: Would it be possible to have, instead, a contributor agreement that allows contributors to retain copyright while at the same time granting you a non-transferable, non-revokable, exclusive right to relicense their contribution under the ASF2.0 license

Re: Nuitka - GPLv3 plus contribution copyright assignment

2012-01-05 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 10:18:27 -0600 Christofer C. Bell wrote: On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Kay Hayen kayha...@gmx.de wrote: [...] The interesting part is contribution copyright assignment. I actually do _not_ want Nuitka to have to stay GPLv3 when it's ready. Then I _definitely_ want it

Re: Nuitka - GPLv3 plus contribution copyright assignment

2012-01-05 Thread Kay Hayen
Hello Tanguy, Am 05.01.2012 18:08, schrieb Tanguy Ortolo: Christofer C. Bell, 2012-01-05 17:18+0100: Would it be possible to have, instead, a contributor agreement that allows contributors to retain copyright while at the same time granting you a non-transferable, non-revokable, exclusive

Re: Nuitka - GPLv3 plus contribution copyright assignment

2012-01-05 Thread Kay Hayen
Hello Francesco, [...] Would it be possible to have, instead, a contributor agreement that allows contributors to retain copyright while at the same time granting you a non-transferable, non-revokable, exclusive right to relicense their contribution under the ASF2.0 license at a time of your

Re: Nuitka - GPLv3 plus contribution copyright assignment

2012-01-05 Thread Kay Hayen
Am 05.01.2012 19:53, schrieb Kay Hayen: And it should address what MJ said, because that way, new code is under ASF2.0 for everybody pretty automatic. That way, my only unfairness is to not put my work under GPLv3, a right that I offer everybody else too though. Sorry for this typo: I meant

Re: Nuitka - GPLv3 plus contribution copyright assignment

2012-01-05 Thread Tanguy Ortolo
Kay Hayen, 2012-01-05 19:53+0100: I would make it say something like this: # If you (not Kay Hayen) submit patches So far, this is a contributor agreement. # or make the software # available to licensors of this software in either form, But here you are starting to add on the

Re: Nuitka - GPLv3 plus contribution copyright assignment

2012-01-05 Thread Ben Finney
Kay Hayen kayha...@gmx.de writes: And it should address what MJ said, because that way, new code is under ASF2.0 for everybody pretty automatic. Is that your intent? If so, I don't know why the license is not ASF 2.0 from the start. On the other hand, if you want everyone to receive the work

Re: Nuitka - GPLv3 plus contribution copyright assignment

2012-01-05 Thread Kay Hayen
Hello Ben, you wrote: And it should address what MJ said, because that way, new code is under ASF2.0 for everybody pretty automatic. Is that your intent? If so, I don't know why the license is not ASF 2.0 from the start. I gave my motivation in the original email. In short I don't want

Re: Nuitka - GPLv3 plus contribution copyright assignment

2012-01-05 Thread Kay Hayen
Hello Tanguy, thanks for breaking it down: # If you (not Kay Hayen) submit patches So far, this is a contributor agreement. # or make the software # available to licensors of this software in either form, But here you are starting to add on the license, taking high risks of

Re: Nuitka - GPLv3 plus contribution copyright assignment

2012-01-05 Thread Ben Finney
By “ASF 2.0” I assume you mean “the Apache license version 2.0”. I will use “Apache 2.0” which I gather is the more widely used name for that license. Kay Hayen kayha...@gmx.de writes: It is supposed to work like this: Everybody receives Nuitka from me under GPLv3. And ASF2.0 for nothing. Then

Re: Nuitka - GPLv3 plus contribution copyright assignment

2012-01-05 Thread Kay Hayen
Hello Ben, thanks for your reply, you wrote: By “ASF 2.0” I assume you mean “the Apache license version 2.0”. I will use “Apache 2.0” which I gather is the more widely used name for that license. I will do so too then. Kay Hayenkayha...@gmx.de writes: It is supposed to work like this:

Re: Nuitka - GPLv3 plus contribution copyright assignment

2012-01-05 Thread Ben Finney
Kay Hayen kayha...@gmx.de writes: I want everybody to receive under GPLv3 and then to contribute back by default under GPLv3 and Apache license 2.0, or optionally under GPLv3 only. At whose option? Since you're asking for opinions: I would reject the first option. If you want to receive