Re: AROS License DFSG ok?

2005-01-09 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Henning Makholm: | 3.2. Availability of Source Code. | Any Modification which You create or to which You contribute must be | made available in Source Code form under the terms of this License | either on the same media as an Executable version or

Re: AROS License DFSG ok?

2005-01-08 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Gürkan Sengün [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is the AROS license DFSG ok? http://www.aros.org/license.html Michael Poole wrote: Some people believe that this kind of termination clause violates the DFSG. Clause 8.2a terminates rights to the Contributor Version if you allege in a lawsuit that the

Re: AROS License DFSG ok?

2005-01-08 Thread Matthew Garrett
Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, 8.2b terminates rights when you sue a Participant alleging that *anything* infringes any patent. As far as I know, *nobody* thinks that is OK. For instance, it could be over Participant's use of your patent for extracting aluminum from

Re: AROS License DFSG ok?

2005-01-08 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, 8.2b terminates rights when you sue a Participant alleging that *anything* infringes any patent. As far as I know, *nobody* thinks that is OK. For instance, it could be over Participant's use

Re: AROS License DFSG ok?

2005-01-08 Thread Josh Triplett
Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, 8.2b terminates rights when you sue a Participant alleging that *anything* infringes any patent. As far as I know, *nobody* thinks that is OK. For instance, it could be

Re: AROS License DFSG ok?

2005-01-08 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 10:19:33AM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: As far as I know, *nobody* thinks that is OK. For instance, it could be over Participant's use of your patent for extracting aluminum from ore. It terminates a right we don't require in the first place. If the patent is

Re: AROS License DFSG ok?

2005-01-08 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 10:19:33AM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: As far as I know, *nobody* thinks that is OK. For instance, it could be over Participant's use of your patent for extracting aluminum from ore. It terminates a right we don't require

Re: AROS License DFSG ok?

2005-01-08 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sat, 2005-01-08 at 12:31 -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It terminates a right we don't require in the first place. If the patent is actively enforced, we potentially have problems - if it isn't, why is it more of a problem than a license

Re: AROS License DFSG ok?

2005-01-08 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 02:08:29PM -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: That's an ugly, fuzzy, ill-focused gray area, though. We do require the rights restricted by patents; but in the case where we don't have the right, but the restriction isn't being enforced, we grunt and act as

Re: AROS License DFSG ok?

2005-01-08 Thread Raul Miller
On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 02:22:33PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote: have the right to do something without a license (although we might; it may not be patented), just as we might not have the right to copy a Or there might be prior art, which means that the patent is without merit. Typically,

Re: AROS License DFSG ok?

2005-01-08 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The reality is that we do *not* require authors to extend us a license to patents as part of their software license in order to consider it free. We merely opt not to distribute software that's covered by patents that are actively being enforced. The

Re: AROS License DFSG ok?

2005-01-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 02:08:29PM -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: There is a somewhat recursive, but self-consistent, way to deal with this. We don't require explicit patent licenses when it appears the patents aren't being enforced. Presence of these clauses is excellent evidence that

Re: AROS License DFSG ok?

2005-01-08 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 05:50:12PM -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The reality is that we do *not* require authors to extend us a license to patents as part of their software license in order to consider it free. We merely opt not to distribute

Re: AROS License DFSG ok?

2005-01-07 Thread Florian Weimer
* Henning Makholm: | 3.2. Availability of Source Code. | Any Modification which You create or to which You contribute must be | made available in Source Code form under the terms of this License | either on the same media as an Executable version or via an accepted | Electronic Distribution

Re: AROS License DFSG ok?

2005-01-07 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 01:47:36PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: Again, this clause is part of the MPL, which is presently considered DFSG-free. No, the MPL is not clearly free[1]. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/06/msg00221.html The situation, roughly, is that while the MPL

Re: AROS License DFSG ok?

2005-01-07 Thread Matthew Garrett
Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 01:47:36PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: Again, this clause is part of the MPL, which is presently considered DFSG-free. No, the MPL is not clearly free[1]. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/06/msg00221.html The

Re: AROS License DFSG ok?

2005-01-07 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 08:19:35PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 01:47:36PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: Again, this clause is part of the MPL, which is presently considered DFSG-free. No, the MPL is not clearly free[1].

Re: AROS License DFSG ok?

2005-01-06 Thread Michael Poole
Gürkan Sengün [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is the AROS license DFSG ok? http://www.aros.org/license.html Likely problems: 8.2. If You initiate litigation by asserting a patent infringement claim (excluding declatory judgment actions) against Initial Developer or a Contributor

Re: AROS License DFSG ok?

2005-01-06 Thread Florian Weimer
* Michael Poole: [something close to the anti-patent clause from the MPL] Some people believe that this kind of termination clause violates the DFSG. But this is not specific to the AROS License, it's inherited from the MPL (although I haven't compared the licenses word-for-word).

Re: AROS License DFSG ok?

2005-01-06 Thread Michael Poole
Florian Weimer writes: * Michael Poole: [something close to the anti-patent clause from the MPL] Some people believe that this kind of termination clause violates the DFSG. But this is not specific to the AROS License, it's inherited from the MPL (although I haven't compared the

Re: AROS License DFSG ok?

2005-01-06 Thread Josh Triplett
Michael Poole wrote: Gürkan Sengün [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is the AROS license DFSG ok? http://www.aros.org/license.html Likely problems: 8.2. If You initiate litigation by asserting a patent infringement claim (excluding declatory judgment actions) against Initial

Re: AROS License DFSG ok?

2005-01-06 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Gürkan Sengün [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is the AROS license DFSG ok? http://www.aros.org/license.html In addition to the patent termination, I don't thinkt this is a free condition: | 3.2. Availability of Source Code. | Any Modification which You create or to which You contribute must be |

Re: AROS License DFSG ok?

2005-01-06 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Josh Triplett [EMAIL PROTECTED] (b) any software, hardware, or device, other than such Participant's Contributor Version, directly or indirectly infringes any patent, then any rights granted to You by such Participant under Sections 2.1(b) and 2.2(b) are revoked