Re: The debate on Invariant sections (long)

2003-05-29 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 19:57 US/Eastern, Richard Stallman wrote: In a nightmare one can imagine large numbers of cover texts in one manual, but it isn't likely to happen. Where the BSD advertising clause produced a mountain, the GFDL produces a molehill. At least one situation comes

Re: Bug #189164: libdbd-mysql-perl uses GPL lib, may be used by GPL-incompatible apps

2003-05-29 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 23:21 US/Eastern, Steve Langasek wrote: Not all: the terms of section 3 talk about covered source code in very broad terms of all modules [the work] contains. Can you expand on your understanding of this phrase? Section 3 reads, in part: You may copy and

Re: ISO 3166 copyright

2003-05-29 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Bah, there's no copyright in those lists; just like there's no copyright in the listings of the phone book. Please attack and destroy people with _Feist v. Rural Telephone Service Co._[1]. [1] http://www.law.cornell.edu/copyright/cases/499_US_340.htm

Choosing a license for stumbleupon

2003-05-29 Thread Alan Woodland
I filed an ITP recently for stumbleupon, and have been talking with the upstream author about a suitable license for the mozilla toolbar. Im not an expert on legal or license related issues, so I'm posting here for some advice/suggestions. Basicaly this is what the upstream author said:

Re: ISO 3166 copyright

2003-05-29 Thread Martin Schröder
On 2003-05-28 20:21:55 -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Bah, there's no copyright in those lists; just like there's no copyright in the listings of the phone book. Phone book data _is_ copyrighted in Germany. Best regards Martin -- Our position is that whatever grievances a nation may have,

Re: More fun with Title 17 USC

2003-05-29 Thread joemoore
Anthony DeRobertis said: (Sec. 201(a)): Copyright in a work protected under this title vests initially in the author or authors of the work. The authors of a joint work are coowners of copyright in the work. So, I wonder, how many open-source works qualify as joint works?

Re: Bug#189164: libdbd-mysql-perl uses GPL lib, may be used by GPL-incompatible apps

2003-05-29 Thread Jakob Bohm
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 03:19:45PM -0400, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 03:30 PM, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: ... In Lotus Development Corp. v. Borland International, Inc.,[0] the court held that a menu structure is method of

Re: ISO 3166 copyright

2003-05-29 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 01:42:53PM +0200, Martin Schröder wrote: On 2003-05-28 20:21:55 -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Bah, there's no copyright in those lists; just like there's no copyright in the listings of the phone book. Phone book data _is_ copyrighted in Germany. But it shouldn't

Re: More fun with Title 17 USC

2003-05-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 03:02:58AM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: (Sec. 101): ''joint work'' is a work prepared by two or more authors with the intention that their contributions be merged into inseparable or interdependent parts of a unitary whole. [...] So, I wonder,

Re: Bug #189164: libdbd-mysql-perl uses GPL lib, may be used by GPL-incompatible apps

2003-05-29 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Steve Langasek wrote: It is not mere aggregation, for the same reason that a bug in a library that makes it unusable by applications is a grave, not a critical, bug: one piece of software is not unrelated to another if the former depends on the latter. Ah, I get what I was missing earlier... so

Outcome of PHPNuke discussion

2003-05-29 Thread Martin Schulze
I'm sorry, but I'm totally lost in the discussion. Do we (=Debian) buy the statement from the FSF that the copyright notice at the bottom of any phpnuke-generated page must not be removed and that this is not a new restriction to the GPL? I see that phpnuke is still in main in testing and

Re: Outcome of PHPNuke discussion

2003-05-29 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 09:33:33PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: I'm sorry, but I'm totally lost in the discussion. Do we (=Debian) buy the statement from the FSF that the copyright notice at the bottom of any phpnuke-generated page must not be removed and that this is not a new restriction to

Re: Outcome of PHPNuke discussion

2003-05-29 Thread Mark Rafn
On Thu, 29 May 2003, Martin Schulze wrote: I'm sorry, but I'm totally lost in the discussion. Do we (=Debian) buy the statement from the FSF that the copyright notice at the bottom of any phpnuke-generated page must not be removed and that this is not a new restriction to the GPL? There was

Incomplete licence - what to do?

2003-05-29 Thread Artur R. Czechowski
Hello I would like to package a php4-rrdtool from wnpp[1]. I noticed that this software has IMO incomplete licence. Full README file is available at: http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/rrdtool/pub/contrib/php4-rrdtool-1.03.txt Interesting part about copyright below. You are free to

Re: Bug#189164: libdbd-mysql-perl uses GPL lib, may be used by GPL-incompatible apps

2003-05-29 Thread Jakob Bohm
On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 11:57:18AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Jakob Bohm said: Anyway, I thought the common GPL linking claim was that the runtime in-memory process image includes a copy of the GPL code and is thus a derivative of that copy. But this derivative (if you assume that it is

Re: Incomplete licence - what to do?

2003-05-29 Thread Adam Warner
Hi Artur R. Czechowski, Hello I would like to package a php4-rrdtool from wnpp[1]. I noticed that this software has IMO incomplete licence. Full README file is available at: http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/rrdtool/pub/contrib/php4-rrdtool-1.03.txt Interesting part about

Re: More fun with Title 17 USC

2003-05-29 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Thu, 2003-05-29 at 07:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think one coowner would be able to change the license terms of the work as a whole without the consent of the other coowners. He can. That's one of the things it being a joint work instead of a collective work means. Any author of

Re: Bug#189164: libdbd-mysql-perl uses GPL lib, may be used by GPL-incompatible apps

2003-05-29 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Thu, 2003-05-29 at 20:00, Jakob Bohm wrote: However the main point of my post was not that. My main point was that in Borland vs. Lotus, the issue placed before the court was the right to *re-implement* a compatible interface, not the right to implement things that *use* the interface.

Re: Incomplete licence - what to do?

2003-05-29 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Thu, 2003-05-29 at 19:26, Artur R. Czechowski wrote: I will contact upstream to fix this licence but first I would like to know your opinion: what should I propose to the author as the new licence? MIT/X11: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php (new) BSD:

Re: ISO 3166 copyright

2003-05-29 Thread James Miller
--- Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] からのメッセ ージ: On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 01:42:53PM +0200, Martin Schr#65533;er wrote: On 2003-05-28 20:21:55 -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Bah, there's no copyright in those lists; just like there's no copyright in the listings of the phone book.

Joint Authorship Re: More fun with Title 17 USC

2003-05-29 Thread James Miller
--- Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] からのメッセ ージ: On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 03:02:58AM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: (Sec. 101): ''joint work'' is a work prepared by two or more authors with the intention that their contributions be merged into inseparable or

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software?

2003-05-29 Thread James Miller
--- Kai Henningsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] からのメッ セージ: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathanael Nerode) wrote on 19.05.03 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: How different are things really on the Continent? Is *everthing* codified? [...] The important point being drawn out here is that the common law (U.S. U.K. et

Bug#195338: Please remove phpnuke from main

2003-05-29 Thread Steve Langasek
Package: ftp.debian.org At http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200302/msg00164.html ff., the debian-legal mailing list discusses PHPNuke, which is nominally under the GPL but whose author has made additional statements regarding the meaning of the GPL for his app. Consensus