Re: RES: What makes software copyrightable anyway?

2005-05-21 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/20/05, Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Note, I might come back to some of this later -- I need to think about whether I want to bother raising some issues, among other things --, but a few of these I have immediate questions or comments about.) Yeah, I have some homework to do,

Re: RES: What makes software copyrightable anyway?

2005-05-21 Thread Raul Miller
On 5/21/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/20/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is some question about whether Quagga+Net SNMP+libssl is uncopyrightable. No, there isn't. There's no selection and arrangement creative expression there. It's

Re: RES: What makes software copyrightable anyway?

2005-05-21 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/20/05, Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/20/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a paraphrase of candidate E, it's erroneous. The grammar, as I read it, doesn't allow it to be anything else. But a licensee is certainly welcome to argue for the presence of an

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Re: RES: What makes software copyrightable anyway?

2005-05-21 Thread Raul Miller
On 5/21/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While these categories are exemplary and can be bent to cover previously uncontemplated forms of work, judges are quite aware that they do so at their peril. If you think that sister circuits' critiques of Rano v. Sipa Press are brutal,

Re: RES: What makes software copyrightable anyway?

2005-05-21 Thread Raul Miller
On 5/21/05, Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a general rule, those commands don't go figuring out where to get the sources and download them for you. Nor are they specially documented in the distributor's notes on the package. I assure you ./configure and make are quite

Re: RES: What makes software copyrightable anyway?

2005-05-21 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/21/05, Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/21/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm saying that there is no creative expression involved in selecting and arranging those three components. In modifying Net-SNMP to add SNMPv3 support by calling routines from libssl,

Re: RES: What makes software copyrightable anyway?

2005-05-21 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/21/05, Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/21/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While these categories are exemplary and can be bent to cover previously uncontemplated forms of work, judges are quite aware that they do so at their peril. If you think that sister

Re: RES: What makes software copyrightable anyway?

2005-05-21 Thread Michael K. Edwards
A short one for once. http://www.rosenlaw.com/html/GPL.PDF Mr. Rosen's much less committal than I, as befits a lawyer, and doesn't club people with case law in a three-page summary; he's also a much better writer. I would think that any claim of mine that is also addressed in his writing is not

Re: RES: What makes software copyrightable anyway?

2005-05-21 Thread Raul Miller
On 5/21/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P. S. Well, at least one person thinks Raul's credibility is intact despite his attempted justification of a foolish gamble on OpenTTD, Or maybe he thinks that my credibility wasn't much to begin with. You really shouldn't overgeneralize

Re: RES: What makes software copyrightable anyway?

2005-05-21 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/21/05, Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/21/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P. S. Well, at least one person thinks Raul's credibility is intact despite his attempted justification of a foolish gamble on OpenTTD, Or maybe he thinks that my credibility wasn't

Re: RES: What makes software copyrightable anyway?

2005-05-21 Thread Raul Miller
On 5/21/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/21/05, Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After looking at this for a bit, I'm thinking that Quagga is based on libsnmp and that libsnmp is based on libssl. Not in any copyright sense whatsoever. And what, every Perl script is

Re: RES: What makes software copyrightable anyway?

2005-05-21 Thread Raul Miller
On 5/21/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you're talking about something different from what I'm talking about. I'm talking about cases where the program as a whole is granted special copyright protection beyond that of its individual components. (That's a literal

Re: Inconsistent handling of sourceless packages in main

2005-05-21 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 10:12:43AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: ... And all have problems: package | danger -+-- kernel-image*| kernel-source* update replaces source | rebuild differs | but old

Re: RES: What makes software copyrightable anyway?

2005-05-21 Thread Raul Miller
On 5/21/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/21/05, Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/21/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not in any copyright sense whatsoever. And what, every Perl script is based on Perl? Every Lotus 1-2-3 macro is based on

Re: License question about regexplorer

2005-05-21 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Florian Weimer wrote: * Roberto C. Sanchez: I have been recently checking out packages up for adoption or already orphaned. In the process I came across regexplorer [0]. Here are the dependencies of regexplorer and their respective licenses (as I understand it): * libc6 (LGPL) * libgcc1