Re: [no subject]

2005-11-04 Thread Lewis Jardine
Andrew Donnellan wrote: On 11/4/05, Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any collection of bits is software. The GPL works very well for any collection of bits. Some people think that it, particularly the requirement for provision of source code and the nature of permission to

dual licensing (was: Re: [no subject])

2005-11-04 Thread Justin Pryzby
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 06:28:02PM +1100, Andrew Donnellan wrote: On 11/4/05, Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Emmanuel Colbus wrote: My main concern about this was that such relicensed copies could have been considered not free, but undistributable, as the GPL is supposed to

Re: dual licensing (was: Re: [no subject])

2005-11-04 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 11/5/05, Justin Pryzby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 06:28:02PM +1100, Andrew Donnellan wrote: On 11/4/05, Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Emmanuel Colbus wrote: My main concern about this was that such relicensed copies could have been considered not

Re: dual licensing (was: Re: [no subject])

2005-11-04 Thread Arc Riley
On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 06:47:03AM +1100, Andrew Donnellan wrote: So if you want, you can use it under the terms of the MIT license. And, if you prefer, you can use it under the terms of the GPL license. I mean the *developer* must comply with both licenses, eg if you d/l under the GPL

Re: dual licensing (was: Re: [no subject])

2005-11-04 Thread Andrew Donnellan
Just to make myself clear: if you can't determine sourcecode you still can't release under the GPL, even if you dual-license. Andrew On 11/5/05, Arc Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 06:47:03AM +1100, Andrew Donnellan wrote: So if you want, you can use it under the

Re: Releasing software sponsored by an employer

2005-11-04 Thread John Morrissey
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 12:13:34AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: It's easy as pie. You don't release it; the *company* releases it. Use the usual How to Apply These Terms to Your New Program, but put the *company* name in name of author [snip] Put that notice in the software. Get the

Re: dual licensing (was: Re: [no subject])

2005-11-04 Thread Glenn Maynard
Please don't top-post. On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 07:42:10AM +1100, Andrew Donnellan wrote: Just to make myself clear: if you can't determine sourcecode you still can't release under the GPL, even if you dual-license. I don't know what you mean by determine sourcecode, but I can take my program,

Re: dual licensing (was: Re: [no subject])

2005-11-04 Thread Arc
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 04:08:01PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote: I don't know what you mean by determine sourcecode, but I can take my program, release it under the GPL and not release source if I want. (Nobody else could redistribute it, so it'd be a silly thing to do, but I could do it.) I

Re: dual licensing

2005-11-04 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Andrew Donnellan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I mean the *developer* must comply with both licenses, eg if you d/l under the GPL and MIT, then the developer must still put the written offer for source code By developer, do you mean copyright holder? He can legally do whatever he pleases. In

Re: dual licensing (was: Re: [no subject])

2005-11-04 Thread Andrew Donnellan
The GPL is not a contract, but one clause states that there must be source code provided, so while a copyright holder can violate the GPL by releasing under a different license, but the copyright holder can't release under the GPL and at the same time violate the GPL. Andrew On 11/5/05, Arc

Re: dual licensing (was: Re: [no subject])

2005-11-04 Thread Justin Pryzby
On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 08:50:13AM +1100, Andrew Donnellan wrote: The GPL is not a contract, but one clause states that there must be source code provided, so while a copyright holder can violate the GPL by releasing under a different license, but the copyright holder can't release under the

Re: dual licensing

2005-11-04 Thread Justin Pryzby
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 10:20:14PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Andrew Donnellan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I mean the *developer* must comply with both licenses, eg if you d/l under the GPL and MIT, then the developer must still put the written offer for source code By developer, do

Re: Releasing software sponsored by an employer

2005-11-04 Thread Francesco Poli
On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:13:34 -0500 Nathanael Nerode wrote: [...] one line to give the program's name and a brief idea of what it does. program name Copyright year copyright holder program name is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of

Re: dual licensing (was: Re: [no subject])

2005-11-04 Thread Glenn Maynard
There's no policy requiring real names on Debian lists, but it should be noted that you'll be taken less seriously by many people if you don't. (My impression is he doesn't trust what he says enough to even attach his name to it?.) Just FYI. On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 01:38:21PM -0800, Arc wrote:

Re: [no subject]

2005-11-04 Thread Raul Miller
On 11/4/05, Lewis Jardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Tangentially, could someone please clarify this: to pass on the work dual-licensed, do you need to comply with both licenses, or does the copyright statement attached to the work that you've legitimately distributed under one of the licenses

Re: dual licensing (was: Re: [no subject])

2005-11-04 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 06:21:10PM -0800, Arc Riley wrote: What makes you think Arc isn't my real name? It's a gaelic name that died out after the romans invaded and most of the male gaelic names were replaced by happy christian names. There's a certain amount of cultural sensitivity

Re: dual licensing (was: Re: [no subject])

2005-11-04 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 11/5/05, Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I don't understand the relevance. The preamble explains the FSF's goals in the GPL; it doesn't make promises on behalf of the licensor. If you did manage to convince people that the GPL could be used as a stick against the copyright

Re: dual licensing

2005-11-04 Thread Christofer C. Bell
On 11/4/05, Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scripsit Andrew Donnellan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I mean the *developer* must comply with both licenses, eg if you d/l under the GPL and MIT, then the developer must still put the written offer for source code By developer, do you mean

Re: dual licensing

2005-11-04 Thread Justin Pryzby
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 11:30:03PM -0600, Christofer C. Bell wrote: On 11/4/05, Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scripsit Andrew Donnellan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I mean the *developer* must comply with both licenses, eg if you d/l under the GPL and MIT, then the developer must still

Re: dual licensing

2005-11-04 Thread Andrew Donnellan
Here's a response from an FSF volunteer: -- begin -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Fri Nov 04 22:35:22 2005]: Are copyright holders who license software under the GPL compelled to release source code? e.g. Person A writes a program. Person A says it is under the GPL. Person A gives a copy of the