Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-28 Thread Ben Finney
Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This one time, at band camp, Francesco Poli said: On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:27:57 +0100 Ben Hutchings wrote: [...] While I doubt I would have trouble updating the package within 28 days of an upstream release, I doubt that Debian would like to

Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-28 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 11003 March 1977, Ben Hutchings wrote: A lot of developers seem to want to include such clauses about the official software being distributed timely and only from one source, usually with good intentions, but fail to see the unfavourable rammifications of their choice. I would recommend to

Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-28 Thread Ben Hutchings
Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This one time, at band camp, Francesco Poli said: On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:27:57 +0100 Ben Hutchings wrote: [...] While I doubt I would have trouble updating the package within 28 days of an upstream

Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-28 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:00:06 +0100 Ben Hutchings wrote: Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] They're explicitly allowed (though discouraged, as you noted) when the requirement is in place for *modified* works. The license in question is requiring a name change for even *unmodified*

Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-28 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 11:00:06AM +0100, Ben Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This one time, at band camp, Francesco Poli said: On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:27:57 +0100 Ben Hutchings wrote: [...]

Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-28 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, 2007-04-27 at 19:27 +0100, I wrote: The author of Ion3 (which I maintain) is proposing to introduce a new licence[1] which includes the clause: 3. Redistributions of this software accessible plainly with a name of this software (ion, ion3, etc.), must provide the latest

Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-28 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 12:22 +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 11:00:06AM +0100, Ben Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But if I rename before uploading the package to Debian, then that provision is nullified. So I think the licence would then be free in so far as it

Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-28 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 12:25:10PM +0100, Ben Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 12:22 +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 11:00:06AM +0100, Ben Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But if I rename before uploading the package to Debian, then that

Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-28 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 13:33 +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 12:25:10PM +0100, Ben Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 12:22 +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 11:00:06AM +0100, Ben Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But

Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-28 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 12:49:39PM +0100, Ben Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 13:33 +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 12:25:10PM +0100, Ben Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 12:22 +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: On Sat, Apr

Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-28 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 12:22:43 +0100 Ben Hutchings wrote: [...] He's now proposing to stick with LGPL but to use a restrictive trademark licence[1]. I think this puts us in pretty much the same position as with Firefox/Iceweasel, as I expected[2]. (However, there is already an icewm, so I

Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 02:09:21PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: To have a trademark license, ion3 should be a trademark in the first place. Is it ? It's not a *registered* trademark, but it may yet be a trademark, as the author claims. I don't think we really want to test that claim, do

Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-28 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 09:14:32AM -0700, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 02:09:21PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: To have a trademark license, ion3 should be a trademark in the first place. Is it ? It's not a *registered* trademark, but it may yet be a

Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 06:48:15PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 09:14:32AM -0700, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 02:09:21PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: To have a trademark license, ion3 should be a trademark in the first place. Is

Re: backporting and dual-licensing

2007-04-28 Thread Josh Triplett
Shriramana Sharma wrote: Say a person X writes a library libfoo. He licenses the library out under both the GPL and a commercial licence. I think you mean and a proprietary license. A person Y uses libfoo under the GPL. He goes and does a lot of improvements in the library since it is

Re: question about gpl-commercial dual licencing

2007-04-28 Thread Josh Triplett
Andrew Donnellan wrote: On 4/21/07, Shriramana Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Say someone creates a library libfoo in the C language. The library is dual-licenced -- under the GPL and under a commercial licence. GPL is for open-source consumers and commercial licence is for closed-source

Re: question about gpl-commercial dual licencing

2007-04-28 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 4/29/07, Josh Triplett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you created the bindings using ctypes or similar, where there's no actual linking taking place, I think it's all OK. The specific technical mechanism used to link to libfoo doesn't matter. For the purposes of the GPL, it matters whether