Re: TrueCrypt License 2.3

2008-01-27 Thread MJ Ray
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Le mercredi 16 janvier 2008 =C3=A0 14:55 +, MJ Ray a =C3=A9crit :
> > Where?  The naming rights asserted above seem much broader than what a
> > trademark allows.  Trademarks have many limitations.
> 
> If we have named Firefux the modified version of Firefox, I doubt the
> Mozilla foundation would have let that pass.

There's various other reasons for that and it wouldn't have been covered
by a prohibition on calling it Firefox or something easily confused with
Firefox.  (How often do people use the other f-word to mean a fox?)

[...]
> > Does it matter whether it is non-free only for France or only for the
> > US?  Doesn't that mere difference make it fail DFSG 5?
> 
> I don=E2=80=99t think so. The fact that it doesn=E2=80=99t grant some of th=
> e rights that
> are usually applicable in the US but not somewhere else doesn=E2=80=99t mak=
> e the
> license in itself non-free. [...]

The licence isn't just not granting rights - it's requiring users to abandon
some rights they hold.  Seems like a cost to me.

> > [...]  They're also unnecessarily you-you-you.  Did Francesco
> > Poli run over Josselin Mouette's cat?
> 
> Huh? Who=E2=80=99s trying to make things personal?

Josselin Mouette, it seemed.

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [gNewSense-users] PFV call for help.]

2008-01-27 Thread Magnus Holmgren
On torsdagen den 24 januari 2008, Ben Finney wrote:
> John Halton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 11:01:35PM +0100, Julien Cristau wrote:
> > > > > * line 81-83: "OpenVision also retains copyright to derivative
> > > > > works of the Source Code, whether created by OpenVision or by
> > > > > a third party." I think this could threat this software
> > > > > freedom.
> >
> > On further reflection, I'm inclined to agree. The fact that it says
> > "OpenVision *retains* copyright" strongly implies that it is simply
> > talking about maintaining the status quo, not about changing any
> > copyright ownership. If the intention was for copyright to be
> > assigned to OpenVision then clearer wording to this effect would be
> > needed.
>
> It's the "derivative works [...] whether created by OpenVision or by a
> third party" that muddies the water. This could be rationally
> interpreted as a claim to "retain" copyright in *all* derived works of
> the original, including all derivatives, even those parts created "by
> a third party".

If I'm not entirely mistaken, a "work" is a unit, to which one or more persons 
may have copyright as a whole. There really is no such thing as copyright to 
a part of a work. However, if a portion of a work can be broken out as a new 
work on its own, it is possible that only those authors who had part in 
creating that portion can claim copyright to it.

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