Re: Lawyer request stop from downloading Debian

2011-04-24 Thread Vincent Bernat
OoO En cette nuit nuageuse du dimanche 24 avril 2011, vers 00:07, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net disait : The lawyer wants the poster to pay 700 Euro and stop uploading of Debian. - My opion is that this behavior is not good for Debian's reputation and the project

Re: Lawyer request stop from downloading Debian

2011-04-24 Thread Michael Wild
On 04/24/2011 12:07 AM, Ken Arromdee wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2011, Stefan Hirschmann wrote: The lawyer wants the poster to pay 700 Euro and stop uploading of Debian. - My opion is that this behavior is not good for Debian's reputation and the project should take legal

Re: Lawyer request stop from downloading Debian

2011-04-24 Thread MJ Ray
Stefan Hirschmann wrote: Short English summary: - A lawyer from Augsburg, Germany sent a Abmahnung [2] to a person which downloaded Debian using Bittorrent. The company Media Art Holland b.v claimed that she has the Nutzungs und Verwertungsrechte (something like

Re: Lawyer request stop from downloading Debian

2011-04-24 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff
MJ Ray m...@phonecoop.coop schrieb: Stefan Hirschmann wrote: Short English summary: - A lawyer from Augsburg, Germany sent a Abmahnung [2] to a person which downloaded Debian using Bittorrent. The company Media Art Holland b.v claimed that she has the Nutzungs

Re: Lawyer request stop from downloading Debian

2011-04-24 Thread Bruno Lowagie
Op 24/04/2011 14:02, Stefano Zacchiroli schreef: I think the first step to do is to get hold of the original cease and desist mail. Has anyone managed to have it yet? This story sounds too absurd to be true. I've googled for the keywords Media Art Holland and I can't find the web site of that

Re: Lawyer request stop from downloading Debian

2011-04-24 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011, Vincent Bernat wrote: The problem is that on Bittorrent, everyone who downloads also uploads. This makes it illegal to download just a binary, since if you do that you're also uploading just a binary, and uploading just a binary is a form of distribution the GPL doesn't

Re: Lawyer request stop from downloading Debian

2011-04-24 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011, Michael Wild wrote: The problem is that on Bittorrent, everyone who downloads also uploads. This makes it illegal to download just a binary, since if you do that you're also uploading just a binary, and uploading just a binary is a form of distribution the GPL doesn't

Re: Lawyer request stop from downloading Debian

2011-04-24 Thread Sriram Narayanan
Joerg Schilling or LaForge too may be good sources of information. -- Sriram On 4/24/11, Stefano Zacchiroli lea...@debian.org wrote: On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 11:11:58AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: I agree. I'm cc'ing the DPL to see if the project can ask SPI-inc.org lawyers for assistance. Do we

Re: Lawyer request stop from downloading Debian

2011-04-24 Thread Hendrik Weimer
Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net writes: It's my understanding that in Germany lawyers can do this to copyright violators even though they are not the copyright holder. This is not true. Under German competition law, someone can hire a lawyer to send a cease-and-desist letter to a competitor if

Providing source for .iso files downloaded using bittorrent

2011-04-24 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
Hi everyone, the request to stop redistributing Debian in Germany sparked an interesting conversation in identi.ca: http://identi.ca/conversation/69498913 In that conversation Bradley Kuhn said: bkuhn @vinzv, Please note: *technically speaking*, !Debian project itself violates

Re: Lawyer request stop from downloading Debian

2011-04-24 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 09:57:22PM +0530, Sriram Narayanan wrote: Joerg Schilling You must be joking. We're looking for legal expertise, not reality distortion fields. or LaForge too may be good sources of information. Who? -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough

Re: Providing source for .iso files downloaded using bittorrent

2011-04-24 Thread Walter Landry
Marcelo E. Magallon mmaga...@debian.org wrote: Now, back to the Debian case, Bradley seems to think that providing a method to download the source (e.g. apt-get source) is not enough. If I understand it correctly, he's saying we must do something extra to comply with GPLv2§3: a) provide

Re: Providing source for .iso files downloaded using bittorrent

2011-04-24 Thread Ben Finney
Marcelo E. Magallon mmaga...@debian.org writes: My interpretation of the whole thing is that in order to comply with the terms of the GPLv2, we should put yet another file, README.GPLv2, in the .iso explaining how to obtain the sources and accompany that with the offer to provide source

Re: Lawyer request stop from downloading Debian

2011-04-24 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 09:57:22PM +0530, Sriram Narayanan wrote: or LaForge too may be good sources of information. Who? Harald Welte, founder of gpl-violations.org: http://gpl-violations.org/about.html#whois -- bye,