Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-04 Thread Walter Landry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) wrote: Bram Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have attempted to add the possibility to allow people to distribute a modified Vim, under the condition that they include the source code. This makes it possible to distribute it in a (more or less)

Re: linking to GPL'd libraries WAS Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-04 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 06:45:50PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I do not really understand why, I guess accepting it in the definition of derivative work is the basis, but I cannot help, but wonder as I have not seen legal challanges that support this.

Re: linking to GPL'd libraries WAS Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-04 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't dismiss this as completely obvious. It's not uncontroversial. For example, the kernel is GPLed but will load and run programs with incompatible licenses. Those programs make syscalls to the kernel to perform system work; how is this permitted?

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-04 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Walter Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If the license were GPL-compatible, I could license my changes under the GPL, and never talk to the Vim maintainer. However, one of the things that Bram wants to be able to do is relicense the whole thing under a proprietary license. This is exactly

Re: linking to GPL'd libraries WAS Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-04 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: Yes, it is different. One is a program making callouts to a different entity, the kernel. The case we were talking about is that of library linking. I should add here that it is relevant that the callouts to the kernel are callouts to an

Re: linking to GPL'd libraries WAS Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-04 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 10:43:48PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: Yes, it is different. One is a program making callouts to a different entity, the kernel. The case we were talking about is that of library linking. I should add

Re: linking to GPL'd libraries WAS Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-04 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 10:43:48PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: Yes, it is different. One is a program making callouts to a different entity, the kernel. The case we were talking about is

Re: linking to GPL'd libraries WAS Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-04 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: Why is it so different to a published library function? Apart from convenience of argument, that is. Libraries are much more tightly integrated with their callers, for example. Oh, and you ignored my stressing the importance of

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-04 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Thomas Bushnell wrote: Walter Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If the license were GPL-compatible, I could license my changes under the GPL, and never talk to the Vim maintainer. However, one of the things that Bram wants to be able to do is relicense the whole thing under a

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-04 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Branden Robinson wrote: Thanks very much for putting effort into this, Mr. Moolenaar. I know a lot of people don't find it easy to deal with paranoid license freaks. Thanks for taking a good look at the new text. I'll include most of your suggestions. You are also allowed to include

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-04 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Bram Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thomas Bushnell wrote: Ah yes, I missed that last part. So it does seem to me that it is not GPL compatible, as long as it wants to reserve the right to include changes in future vim distributions, which themselves might be released under

Re: Netscape on Alpha?

2002-01-04 Thread Andrea Mennucc
hi I am not good at legal issues so I am cross posting this to debian-legal the problem: Debian Alpha is lacking a good browser the solution: there is a version of Netscape 4.7-4 that was compiled by Compaq for Tru64; this version is also distributed by RedHat for Alpha; some people have

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-04 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Bram Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thomas Bushnell wrote: Ah yes, I missed that last part. So it does seem to me that it is not GPL compatible, as long as it wants to reserve the right to include changes in future vim distributions, which themselves

Re: linking to GPL'd libraries WAS Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-04 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 06:03:30PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 10:43:48PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: Yes, it is different. One is a program making callouts to a different entity, the kernel. The case we