Re: Knuth statement on renaming cm files and Licence violation.

2002-09-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Chris Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Debian Project has a philosophical commitment to protecting the freedoms of the users of software that it calls free. These freedoms are spelled out in the Debian Social Contract and Debian Free Software Guidelines. You can argue whether the

Re: Knuth statement on renaming cm files and Licence violation.

2002-09-05 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The arguments that have been presented that say that requiring file renaming is an infringment on the freedoms guaranteed by the DFSG are certainly reasonable ones and I can find much in them to agree with, but the DFSG really *aren't* clear on this

Re: Knuth statement on renaming cm files and Licence violation.

2002-09-05 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 18:40, Russ Allbery wrote: Thomas Bushnell, BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thomas Bushnell, BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And note that it begins with I decided to put these fonts into the public domain; all I have asked is

Re: Knuth statement on renaming cm files and Licence violation.

2002-09-05 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 08:09:55PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: I don't find your argument particularly persuasive; it seems to be very strong on emotion without a lot of logic to back it up, or without any real discussion of what you're trying to defend and why. That's because some of us have

Re: Knuth statement on renaming cm files and Licence violation.

2002-09-05 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 08:48:16PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Right, I understand your distinction between what Debian does and what its users do, and it makes sense to me. I just still would never say that it's okay to break this kind of request, although I might say that it's legally

Re: Knuth statement on renaming cm files and Licence violation.

2002-09-05 Thread David Carlisle
Then he must be giving his earnest encouragements, and not a license, since the work is public domain, right? I don't know. I can understand the principle that if something is PD then you can't claim licence conditions on it, however some who've indicated that they have a better grasp of the

Re: Debian registered by a trade as TM in Spain!

2002-09-05 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
(BTW, CC: me since I'm not subscribed to either lists) Thus spoke Henning Makholm: If it's anything like Danish trademark law, there ought to be a possibility of challenging the trademark registration (though there may be out-of-pocket expenses, hence steps 1-4). I assume that somebody has

Duda sobre hdd's

2002-09-05 Thread DEBIAN-USER
Hola a [EMAIL PROTECTED] Necesito un poco de ayuda sobre como añadir un disco duro a mi PC. Os explico la situación: ahora mismo tengo instalado en un disco duro de 8Gb, Windows 98 y Debian 2.0. Tengo el disco duro como Maestro primario y un CD-ROM como esclavo primario. Me acabo de comprar

Re: Knuth statement on renaming cm files and Licence violation.

2002-09-05 Thread Jeremy Hankins
I don't really have anything to say that hasn't been said by others in the past, but since some folks are (understandably, really) tired of the issue, I thought I'd try to explain the standard debian-legal take on it. Someone correct me if I'm inaccurate. Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: Knuth statement on renaming cm files and Licence violation.

2002-09-05 Thread Martin Schröder
On 2002-09-05 08:57:57 -0400, Brian Sniffen wrote: Fortunately, as Thomas has repeatedly explained, the license on the CM fonts appears to require changing only the .mf file name, which is not a functional part. IBTD. The common interpretation in the TeX community IIRC is that a file cmr10.tfm

Re: Debian registered by a trade as TM in Spain!

2002-09-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 01:30:02PM +0100, Rob Bradford wrote: On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 16:59, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 01:25:20PM +0200, Ignacio García Fernández wrote: Can someone familiar with Spanish IP law comment on what weight is given to prior art in the case of a

Re: Debian registered by a trade as TM in Spain!

2002-09-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 11:24:25PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: From what I've gleaned from the reports (third-hand, as I don't know Spanish), they are using the trademark as backing for a certification program in connection with courses they offer. Seing how they apparently have no respect

Re: Knuth statement on renaming cm files and Licence violation.

2002-09-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Brian Sniffen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And if you'd taken that sentence in the context of its paragraph, you'd have seen that it referred explicitly to LaTeX. You're right; I'm sorry. My mind was going faster than my eyes, and I apologize for the misunderstanding. Anyway, thank you for

Re: Debian registered by a trade as TM in Spain!

2002-09-05 Thread Rob Bradford
On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 16:56, Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 01:30:02PM +0100, Rob Bradford wrote: On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 16:59, Steve Langasek wrote: Strategically, it's also better to assert our rights to the trademark instead of waiting for the trademark holder to start suing

Re: Knuth statement on renaming cm files and Licence violation.

2002-09-05 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Martin Schröder [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IBTD. The common interpretation in the TeX community IIRC is that a file cmr10.tfm must contain the same metrices and encodings as Knuth's. You may change the font (i.e. the appearance of the glpyhs), but the metrices must be Knuth's. The common