Re: migrating away from the FDL

2003-07-20 Thread J.D. Hood
--- Dylan Thurston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] please note that Richard Stallman does _not_ advocate different standards of freedom for documentation and for software, according to, for instance, http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200305/msg00593.html Any two things,

Re: migrating away from the FDL

2003-07-20 Thread Mathieu Roy
To my knowledge, only a very vocal minority of Debian Developers argues for the removal of documentation licensed under the GFDL (and even their views are far from consistent). You guys might be putting the future of the project at risk, without actually realizing what you are doing.

Re: migrating away from the FDL

2003-07-20 Thread Mathieu Roy
By 'normal' writings, do you include documentation? If so, please note that Richard Stallman does _not_ advocate different standards of freedom for documentation and for software, according to, for instance, http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200305/msg00593.html Let me

Re: migrating away from the FDL

2003-07-20 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 10:49:04AM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: Virtually every person on this list finds the GFDL non-free in some situation. By on this list, you mean people that subscribed to this list? If so, you're wrong. I suscribed and it don't makes me considering the GFDL

Re: migrating away from the FDL

2003-07-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op zo 20-07-2003, om 10:49 schreef Mathieu Roy: To my knowledge, only a very vocal minority of Debian Developers argues for the removal of documentation licensed under the GFDL (and even their views are far from consistent). You guys might be putting the future of the project at risk,

Re: migrating away from the FDL

2003-07-20 Thread Mathieu Roy
Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 10:49:04AM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: Virtually every person on this list finds the GFDL non-free in some situation. By on this list, you mean people that subscribed to this list? If so, you're wrong. I suscribed

Re: Transfer of copyright on death

2003-07-20 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Andrew Stribblehill wrote: The sole maintainer collaborated with another author in writing the program, and they have joint copyright. He would like to get it relicenced under a standard licence but the other author has now died. Is there any way to get it changed? Yes. If its a joint work,

Re: migrating away from the FDL

2003-07-20 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 11:23:12AM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: And you have valid statistics that makes you think that I'm _virtually_ the only exception? The GFDL discussion has been going on for a long time; I'm sorry, but it's just not reasonable to claim that there are a significant number of

Re: migrating away from the FDL

2003-07-20 Thread MJ Ray
Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And you have valid statistics that makes you think that I'm _virtually_ the only exception? And you have valid statistics that make you think that you're not? Analyse the list archive and see what you find. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of

Re: migrating away from the FDL

2003-07-20 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 09:18:32AM +0100, J.D. Hood wrote: That is not surprising, given that Debian, unlike the FSF, is not a monarchy. ITYM autocracy. A monarchy is an autocracy where (under normal circumstances) the monarch inherits their role, usually by blood relation or marriage. --

Re: migrating away from the FDL

2003-07-20 Thread J.D. Hood
--- Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 09:18:32AM +0100, J.D. Hood wrote: That is not surprising, given that Debian, unlike the FSF, is not a monarchy. ITYM autocracy. A monarchy is an autocracy where (under normal circumstances) the monarch inherits

Re: migrating away from the FDL

2003-07-20 Thread Mathieu Roy
J.D. Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : --- Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 09:18:32AM +0100, J.D. Hood wrote: That is not surprising, given that Debian, unlike the FSF, is not a monarchy. ITYM autocracy. A monarchy is an autocracy where (under

Re: migrating away from the FDL

2003-07-20 Thread J.D. Hood
--- Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the freedom the project cares about are almost the same. [...] This whole GNU FDL issue indeed show (minor) differences between Debian and GNU but I'm not sure this issue allows us to say This one is better than this other one in terms of freedom.

Re: migrating away from the FDL

2003-07-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op zo 20-07-2003, om 13:06 schreef Andrew Suffield: On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 09:18:32AM +0100, J.D. Hood wrote: That is not surprising, given that Debian, unlike the FSF, is not a monarchy. ITYM autocracy. A monarchy is an autocracy where (under normal circumstances) the monarch

Re: Transfer of copyright on death

2003-07-20 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes. If its a joint work, either author can grant a non-exclusive licence, without the other's permission. So the living author can do that without asking the estate/heirs of the dead author. This depends of the country. Here in Finland the authors

Re: migrating away from the FDL

2003-07-20 Thread Brian M. Carlson
On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 10:49:04AM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: To my knowledge, only a very vocal minority of Debian Developers argues for the removal of documentation licensed under the GFDL (and even their views are far from consistent). You guys might be putting the future of the

Re: migrating away from the FDL

2003-07-20 Thread Dylan Thurston
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mathieu Roy wrote: ... Based on this, I believe that RMS would say that a program with an unremovable, unmodifiable, 10,000 word Ode to my goldfish and no other restrictions would be free software, although inconvenient. I haven't seen anyone from Debian defend

Re: migrating away from the FDL

2003-07-20 Thread Dylan Thurston
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], J.D. Hood wrote: I believe that RMS would say that a program with an unremovable, unmodifiable, 10,000 word Ode to my goldfish and no other restrictions would be free software, although inconvenient. I haven't seen anyone from Debian defend that position yet.