Re: GNU FDL and Debian

2003-08-01 Thread Dylan Thurston
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Dylan Thurston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To be precise, the reference you cited (thanks!) makes it clear that RMS considers the free in free software to apply only to the technical functionality of the work, whether the work is a

Re: Bug#156287: Advice on Drip (ITP #156287)

2003-08-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) writes: Your interpretation would make the access-circumvention provision almost useless: it would mean it only mattered when preventing access to illegally copied works. Which, hey, is a reasonable law. Neat. No, it would also mean that you can't make

Re: Inconsistencies in our approach

2003-08-01 Thread Brian Nelson
John H. Robinson, IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MJ Ray wrote: Does anyone have *NEW DATA* to bring to the discussion? as a mostly passive observer at this point, the only data we are missing is a clear working definition to separate out Software, Data, and Documentation. once we do that

Re: Inconsistencies in our approach

2003-08-01 Thread David B Harris
On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 01:40:56 -0700 Brian Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think that this is even necessary. Suppose, for example, we chose to solve the documentation problem by creating a new archive section for documentation. Documentation that meets the DFSG would preferably still

Re: Inconsistencies in our approach

2003-08-01 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit John H. Robinson, IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] as a mostly passive observer at this point, the only data we are missing is a clear working definition to separate out Software, Data, and Documentation. once we do that to our own satisfaction, then we can get on with defining the free-ness

Inconsistencies in our approach

2003-08-01 Thread John Goerzen
Hello, I have for some time been lurking during the discussions of the FDL, RFC issues, and related matters, and I am getting an increasingly uneasy feeling about the consensus that appears to be starting to coalesce around them. You may note that I am a staunch Free Software advocate as you

Re: Bug#156287: Advice on Drip (ITP #156287)

2003-08-01 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) writes: Your interpretation would make the access-circumvention provision almost useless: it would mean it only mattered when preventing access to illegally copied works. Which, hey, is a reasonable law.

please check mplayer 0.90-3

2003-08-01 Thread A Mennucc1
hi everybody mplayer 0.90-3 is in deb http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer ./ and was uploaded to the incoming dir of Debian. So please review the package and tell me (and the ftp-installer(s)) if this may be fit for Debian and thanks for the time --changes in 0.90-3: the

Re: Inconsistencies in our approach

2003-08-01 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Problem #2: Double Standards We have, and continue to, allow information to be distributed with software under even more strict terms than the FDL. Examples of these things include licenses. All of the arguments being made about freeness of

License evaluation sought

2003-08-01 Thread Tore Anderson
Hi, I would like to have the list members' opinion on the following license, which is about to be applied to the data files of an old adventure game: ~~~ Preamble: Basically, give this game away, share it with your friends. Don't remove this Readme, or pretend you wrote it. You can

Re: License evaluation sought

2003-08-01 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Tore Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I would like to have the list members' opinion on the following license, which is about to be applied to the data files of an old adventure game: It's non-free. There's no permission to create a derivative work, or to distribute such a

Re: Inconsistencies in our approach

2003-08-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:38:43 -0700, John H Robinson, IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MJ Ray wrote: Does anyone have *NEW DATA* to bring to the discussion? as a mostly passive observer at this point, the only data we are missing is a clear working definition to separate out Software, Data, and

Re: License evaluation sought

2003-08-01 Thread Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker
Tore Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I would like to have the list members' opinion on the following license, which is about to be applied to the data files of an old adventure game: [snip] At first I had my doubts about paragraph 3, but after having read the Artistic

Re: License evaluation sought

2003-08-01 Thread Tore Anderson
* Tore Anderson At first I had my doubts about paragraph 3, but after having read the Artistic license, whose paragraph 5 involves the same restriction while still being DFSG-free, I would assume this is acceptable for inclusion in main. But do comment, legalese is not one

Re: License evaluation sought

2003-08-01 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 15:15, Tore Anderson wrote: * You are permitted to modify the game as you like, and also distribute such versions under the same license as the original work, if they are clearly marked as being modified versions. ..would that be okay? (Suggestions on how to

Re: License evaluation sought

2003-08-01 Thread Tore Anderson
* Tore Anderson * You are permitted to modify the game as you like, and also distribute such versions under the same license as the original work, if they are clearly marked as being modified versions. * Joe Wreschnig The GNU GPL version 2 has a clause that words this very well.

Re: License evaluation sought

2003-08-01 Thread Richard Braakman
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 09:08:37PM +0200, Tore Anderson wrote: may be sold), but using it in things like commercial adventure game collections without asking is just playing dirty. I'm fairly sure that the license does not actually accomplish this. Presumably it refers to clause 3: 3) You

Re: License evaluation sought

2003-08-01 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 18:44, Tore Anderson wrote: Well, it's not really a source+binary distribution, more general data (compare it with a jpeg wallpaper, for instance). So I don't really see any reason to make the distinction. Indeed, the reason why upstream doesn't use the Artistic

Re: License evaluation sought

2003-08-01 Thread Tore Anderson
* Joe Wreschnig You can GPL a JPEG, or a PDF, or whatever. Straying a bit off topic now, but this isn't as trivial as it you make it sound (for JPEG's, at least). It's almost a certainty that the preferred modifiable form of a digitally created image isn't a JPEG, but a format specific

Re: Should our documentation be free? (Was Re: Inconsistencies in our approach)

2003-08-01 Thread Sergey V. Spiridonov
Don Armstrong wrote: [snip] If we are to treat documentation any differently than software, we should first define a ruberic that distinguishes software from documentation. In all previous discussions, we were unable to do this. [I cannot do it, but perhaps someone else is able.] [snip]

Re: GNU FDL and Debian

2003-08-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Dylan Thurston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Err, who are you arguing against? I do not espouse the position above. You do a good job arguing against it, but it is unlikely that RMS will read what you wrote... (I'm also not someone you need to convince.) I wasn't taking myself to be arguing