Not inherently free, but inherently non-free?

2004-04-26 Thread Martin Schulze
I wonder if all documents licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License[1] are inherently non-free with regards to the Debian Free Software Guidelines[2]. I thought that if no invariant sections were used the document would still be considered free. However, if invariant sections were used

Re: Not inherently free, but inherently non-free?

2004-04-26 Thread Walter Landry
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if all documents licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License[1] are inherently non-free with regards to the Debian Free Software Guidelines[2]. I thought that if no invariant sections were used the document would still be considered

Re: Not inherently free, but inherently non-free?

2004-04-26 Thread Per Olofsson
On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 08:10 -0400, Walter Landry wrote: Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There seems to be some confusion about whether the GNU FDL renders every document non-free or only those that include invariant sections. The result is that... er... I am confused as well...

Forgent starts litigating JPEG...

2004-04-26 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Forgent Networks said Friday it sued 31 major hardware and software vendors, including Dell and Apple Computers, for allegedly infringing on its claim to an algorithm used in the popular JPEG picture file format. http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,63200,00.html? tw=wn_bizhead_1

Re: Forgent starts litigating JPEG...

2004-04-26 Thread Måns Rullgård
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Forgent Networks said Friday it sued 31 major hardware and software vendors, including Dell and Apple Computers, for allegedly infringing on its claim to an algorithm used in the popular JPEG picture file format.

Re: The QPL licence

2004-04-26 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Sean Kellogg [EMAIL PROTECTED] While I am not a lawyer, I am a law student... and if I remember anything from my civil procedure course I don't think this particular choice of venue clause would stick in an international setting. I'm with you there. But I think we usually take a

Re: Not inherently free, but inherently non-free?

2004-04-26 Thread Josh Triplett
Per Olofsson wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 08:10 -0400, Walter Landry wrote: Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There seems to be some confusion about whether the GNU FDL renders every document non-free or only those that include invariant sections. The result is that... er... I am

Re: Forgent starts litigating JPEG...

2004-04-26 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 11:30:55AM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: Forgent Networks said Friday it sued 31 major hardware and software vendors, including Dell and Apple Computers, for allegedly infringing on its claim to an algorithm used in the popular JPEG picture file format.

Re: Forgent starts litigating JPEG...

2004-04-26 Thread Adam McKenna
On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 07:14:49PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 11:30:55AM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: Forgent Networks said Friday it sued 31 major hardware and software vendors, including Dell and Apple Computers, for allegedly infringing on its claim to

Re: The QPL licence

2004-04-26 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 05:05:26PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: (However, in other cases we have ruled that some clause is not non-free only because it is not enforceable, so perhaps our general position is not very clear). I'm not generally comfortable with that approach. For one thing, the

Re: Squeak in Debian?

2004-04-26 Thread Lex Spoon
Are we sure this is what those weasle words mean? Not that I am fully up on lawyer-speak, but I read the applicable laws as laws referring to software, cryptography, etc. That is, I read it as, you must follow the relevant US export laws but you do not have to follow all of US export

Re: Squeak in Debian?

2004-04-26 Thread Lex Spoon
Walter Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BUT, we are only obligated to the extent the case deals with our own actions. I do not see a problem with this. That seems good and proper to stand up for our own actions. The clause does *NOT* make us liable for all legal attacks on Apple

Re: The QPL licence

2004-04-26 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] I do seem to recall this, but I can't place it. Does anyone remember a license which was considered free, and had non-free but unenforcable clauses? I can't place it exactly either, but I think it was some variant of the BSDish you must/must not utter

Re: Forgent starts litigating JPEG...

2004-04-26 Thread Florian Weimer
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Their patent expires *really* soon, like, a few months away. It's likely that the issue will become moot. One patent in their portfolio expires between 2007 and 2014. I'm sorry, but you can't just wait until the issue goes away. -- Current mail

Re: Forgent starts litigating JPEG...

2004-04-26 Thread Florian Weimer
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is JPEG any different than GIF was I don't remember that anyone was actually sued for using the LZW compression algorithm (certainly not a company rather close to Debian). Maybe the case was so clear that every paid royalties. In this case, it