Brian Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are the only person I've seen express views similar to mine on
debian-legal. All other participants argue for non-free-firmware-using
drivers going in contrib.
(cough)
I'm still entirely unclear on the logic of moving drivers that require
firmware
|--== Bill Morgan writes:
BM The license looks clean to me:
BM http://www.portaudio.com/license.html
BM The only real restriction is not to remove the copyright statement.
BM Is that too much for DFSG?
I think this question should be posted to debian-legal, thus I'm
taking the
Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This would make more sense if I sent it to the right list, really. Sorry
about that.
Brian Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are the only person I've seen express views similar to mine on
debian-legal. All other participants argue for
Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Let's pretend that Debian actually has a significant amount of leverage
on this sort of issue, and that vendors see their drivers appearing in
contrib and want to do something about it. They /could/ open the
firmware and provide a toolchain for it.
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 02:23:16PM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote:
While you have your pen and paper out, go ahead and write some hardware
that a contrib device driver can use without needing firmware loadable
by the kernel. Put the firmware on the device itself. That contrib
driver is now
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 05:49:26PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote:
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 02:23:16PM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote:
While you have your pen and paper out, go ahead and write some hardware
that a contrib device driver can use without needing firmware loadable
by the kernel. Put the
Glenn,
If you don't have a physical copy of the device, the driver doesn't
work either. Very similarly to the way it would act if you don't have
the firmware. The problem is that we have to distribute the
firmware when it's a BLOB.
Thanks
Bruce
Glenn Maynard wrote:
If the driver has
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 04:42:23PM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote:
Fundamentally, I think it comes down to this: we have to draw the line
somewhere, and that line has always been drawn at the software/hardware
boundary. Neither the Linux kernel nor Debian have ever considered the
freeness of
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 04:48:29PM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote:
If you don't have a physical copy of the device, the driver doesn't work
either. Very similarly to the way it would act if you don't have the
firmware. The problem is that /we /have to distribute the firmware when
it's a BLOB.
Brian Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 05:49:26PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote:
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 02:23:16PM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote:
While you have your pen and paper out, go ahead and write some hardware
that a contrib device driver can use without needing
Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Glenn,
If you don't have a physical copy of the device, the driver doesn't work
either. Very similarly to the way it would act if you don't have the
firmware. The problem is that we have to distribute the
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Also why would anyone be forced to distribute the blob? The problem
isn't that we have to distribute the blob. The problem is how free
do we judge the driver to be.
We judge that by the DFSG. The DFSG doesn't include any language about
dependencies on non-free
Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Apart from being ugly the above is perfectly legal and nothing
speaks
against adding it, _provided_ this is the source. I have actually seen
GPL sources with such byte sequences in it for
Hello,
I have itp'd ngspice which MAY have legal issues stopping it from
inclusion into debian ...
This person contacted me (he is applying to become a maintainer)
http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=roktas%40omu.edu.tr
This person says that license issues stop the inclusion of this
On Sun, Dec 12, 2004 at 02:42:48PM +1100, Matt Flax wrote:
This person says that license issues stop the inclusion of this package
with debian ... from the ng spice source ball I find the following
licenses - many licenses as it is the combination of decades of
different distrubutions and
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 08:02:28PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote:
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 04:42:23PM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote:
Contrib exists for software dependencies. This is not a software
dependency issue. There is no direct relationship between firmware and
drivers.
I don't see how
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