Re: GPL as a license for documentation: What about derived works?

2005-01-31 Thread Frank Küster
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: =?iso-8859-1?q?Frank_K=FCster?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: please point me to an older thread if this has been discussed before, I didn't find it in the archives. Did you check http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html first? I didn't find it helpful in this

Re: GPL - specifying the preferred form for modification

2005-01-31 Thread Frank Küster
Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Glenn Maynard wrote: The GPL very deliberately does not specify the preferred form for modification, and authors shouldn't do so (at least not in a legally-binding way or an attempt to interpret the GPL). Right. I think there is no harm in saying

Re: GPL as a license for documentation: What about derived works?

2005-01-31 Thread Frank Küster
Thank you, Andrew, Michael, MJ and Raul for your comments. I was asking this question because I got involved in a license discussion with an author who published a preliminary version of a document on a preliminary licsense, the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.0. During

Re: GPL as a license for documentation: What about derived works?

2005-01-31 Thread Josh Triplett
Frank Küster wrote: I hope I have understood most of the things you wrote, and it seems clearer to me now what you can do, and what you can't do, by releasing a text under GPL. But still there's a lot of cruft in it that might be just confusing for an author who considers GPL for his text,

Re: GPL as a license for documentation: What about derived works?

2005-01-31 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 12:09:18PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: Would it be possible to create something like a reduced form of the GPL, ... This isn't really the right forum for that. Maybe the fsf licensing forum would be better? -- Raul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a

Re: GPL as a license for documentation: What about derived works?

2005-01-31 Thread MJ Ray
=?iso-8859-1?q?Frank_K=FCster?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be possible to create something like a reduced form of the GPL, with program replaced by text, object code by typeset form, and with all the executable-specific cruft rippeed off (or replaced)? It would be possible (see GPL FAQ

Re: GPL as a license for documentation: What about derived works?

2005-01-31 Thread MJ Ray
Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe the fsf licensing forum would be better? Yes, it would, but I can't find details of a licensing forum on their pages. Where is it? [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a non-public enquiry service, as far as I can tell. It does not seem to publish performance

Re: GPL as a license for documentation: What about derived works?

2005-01-31 Thread Frank Küster
Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 12:09:18PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: Would it be possible to create something like a reduced form of the GPL, ... This isn't really the right forum for that. Well, hm, yes, no. Indeed the case that made me post this question

Re: GPL as a license for documentation: What about derived works?

2005-01-31 Thread Frank Küster
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: =?iso-8859-1?q?Frank_K=FCster?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be possible to create something like a reduced form of the GPL, with program replaced by text, object code by typeset form, and with all the executable-specific cruft rippeed off (or replaced)?

Re: The Nutch Software License

2005-01-31 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 09:49:09PM +0100, Luca Brivio wrote: Is this license DFSG-free? I ask you that because I sent a RFP for nutch... http://www.nutch.org/LICENSE.txt For the archive record (please always include license texts, not just a link): --- /*

Re: The Nutch Software License

2005-01-31 Thread Luca Brivio
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:45:44 -0500 Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 09:49:09PM +0100, Luca Brivio wrote: Is this license DFSG-free? I ask you that because I sent a RFP for nutch... http://www.nutch.org/LICENSE.txt For the archive record (please always

Re: The Nutch Software License

2005-01-31 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 07:22:09PM +0100, Luca Brivio wrote: As someone said, this is the old Apache license. XXX may not appear in the name of derivative works is ugly and over-reaching; I think it should be considered non-free (it clearly exceeds DFSG#4), but I don't feel strongly

anonymity and copyright in the U.S. (was: Need to Identify Contributions and the Dissident Test)

2005-01-31 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jan 20, 2005 at 06:36:40PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: Copyright notices can use aliases, right? I don't know anything about how enforcable that renders that person's copyright claim, but I don't think it renders the license invalid. At least in the US, the copyright would still

Re: Taking a position on anti-patent licenses

2005-01-31 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 03:09:59AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 02:55:17PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: I believe that most of us have come to the conclusion that self-protection clauses are free. These are of the form: If you make a legal claim stating that use

a right to privacy is not in the DFSG, therfore you don't have one

2005-01-31 Thread Branden Robinson
Your papers are not in order, citizen... On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 10:04:25PM -0700, Joel Aelwyn wrote: All in all, I think that Branden's fifth freedom[1] is important, and should come into play here. Privacy in one's person includes fundamental [...] [1]

Re: anonymity and copyright in the U.S. (was: Need to Identify Contributions and the Dissident Test)

2005-01-31 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Branden Robinson wrote: As should be well-known, Stephen King is a money machine. I find it hard to believe he'd have published under a pen name if to do so would have meant exposing himself to claims of fraudulent copyright. Definetly. Just to clarify, in case it was

Re: a right to privacy is not in the DFSG, therfore you don't have one

2005-01-31 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 02:08:30PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Your papers are not in order, citizen... On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 10:04:25PM -0700, Joel Aelwyn wrote: All in all, I think that Branden's fifth freedom[1] is important, and should come into play here. Privacy in one's person

Re: anonymity and copyright in the U.S. (was: Need to Identify Contributions and the Dissident Test)

2005-01-31 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:54:34 -0500 Branden Robinson wrote: Any Stephen King fans here? Here I am! Anyone have access to any copies of his Richard Bachman novels from before it was disclosed that Richard Bachman was a nom de plume of Stephen King? No, but I read _The regulators_ that was

Re: The Nutch Software License

2005-01-31 Thread Luca Brivio
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:28:32 -0500 Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 07:22:09PM +0100, Luca Brivio wrote: As someone said, this is the old Apache license. XXX may not appear in the name of derivative works is ugly and over-reaching; I think it should be

Re: [Pkg-alsa-devel] RFS: alsa-tools

2005-01-31 Thread Walter Landry
Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do we have to split the alsa-tools source into two packages, one free and one non-free/contrib? It will make it a bit harder. No. Unfortunately, that is not the case. All of the source for packages in main must satisfy the

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-31 Thread Michael Poole
Walter Landry writes: When Debian puts Eclipse into main, Debian is distributing Eclipse to be used with Kaffe. When it is in contrib, Debian is distributing Eclipse to be used by something outside of main. To the extent the first part is true, the second part is false. Also to the extent