Re: GPL & source modification copyright, attributions

2005-02-04 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 01:58:26PM -0500, Derek Haines wrote: > If someone (e.g. John Smith) modifies a source file by adding or > changing lines of code, do they and/or should they then add a > copyright notice: > > Copyright (C) 2005 John Smith > > in addition to my original copyright notice?

Basic English lessons

2005-02-04 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 05:20:14AM +1100, Glenn L McGrath wrote: > On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:09:01 + > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 12:37:53AM -0800, Sean Kellogg wrote: > > > The laws that are applied are the place where the alleged violation > > > occu

Re: Why is choice of venue non-free ?

2005-02-04 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 08:30:17AM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: > On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 03:05:22PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > And that is why it is *possible* for choice of law clauses to be > > non-free: selection of laws that are intrinsically non-free is no > > different to writing them

Re: Why is choice of venue non-free

2005-02-04 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 05:20:14AM +1100, Glenn L McGrath wrote: > On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:09:01 + > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 12:37:53AM -0800, Sean Kellogg wrote: > > > The laws that are applied are the place where the alleged violation > > > occu

Re: Why is choice of venue non-free ?

2005-02-04 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 03:05:22PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > And that is why it is *possible* for choice of law clauses to be > non-free: selection of laws that are intrinsically non-free is no > different to writing them into the license in the first > place. Precisely which ones are a probl

Re: Why is choice of venue non-free

2005-02-04 Thread Glenn L McGrath
On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:09:01 + Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 12:37:53AM -0800, Sean Kellogg wrote: > > The laws that are applied are the place where the alleged violation > > occurred. If I break U.S. Copyright Law in Europe, there is no > > case. U.S. l

GPL & source modification copyright, attributions

2005-02-04 Thread Derek Haines
I've been having a hard time finding answers to the following GPL questions (can anyone here help?) : I write a piece of software from scratch and release it under the GPL. At the top of my source files, I have a standard copyright notice: Copyright (C) 2005 Derek Haines (as well as the GPL noti

Re: Why is choice of venue non-free ?

2005-02-04 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 12:37:53AM -0800, Sean Kellogg wrote: > The laws that are applied are the place where the alleged violation occurred. > > If I break U.S. Copyright Law in Europe, there is no case. U.S. laws have no > force in Europe. If I break U.S. Copyright Law in the United States

Re: Why is choice of venue non-free ?

2005-02-04 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 10:58:44AM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: > On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 11:11:15AM -0500, Michael Poole wrote: > > Glenn L McGrath writes: > > > hmm, so if parts of the license arent enforcable in the licencees > > > jurisdiction, then a "choice of venue" clause could be used to d

Re: Making legal issues as short as possible

2005-02-04 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 12:20:29AM +0100, Harald Geyer wrote: > > > Would a software with the following statement and without any further > > > copyright or licensing notice be free? > > > > > > "Copyright 2005 by XYZ. No rights reserved." > > > > > > Any issues with that? > > This means "all righ

Re: Why is choice of venue non-free ?

2005-02-04 Thread MJ Ray
Glenn L McGrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Its debating "user freedom" vs "free software developers freedom", to > argue one is more valuable than the other is a chicken and egg argument. It's trying to balance the original developer's rights against derived work developer's rights too. I've bee

Re: handling Mozilla with kid gloves [was: GUADEC report]

2005-02-04 Thread MJ Ray
Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's just a case of multiple licenses, though; if someone asks "is > this free?", we need to evaluate the licenses applying to the program-- > all of them, not just the most obvious ones. [...] Fine, see it that way if you like. I don't. If people post

Re: Why is choice of venue non-free ?

2005-02-04 Thread Sean Kellogg
Just a quick bit without getting into the meat of this discussion, but I would hate for all these minds to be spinning around the wrong issue. A Choice of Venue clause has nothing to do with the Choice of Laws... they are different questions. Venue is whether the judge, jury, setting is best